The NFL in LA Debate, Volume 1 – The Verdict

July 23, 2009

Read the debate intro, Loyal Homer’s argument that Los Angeles should have an NFL team, and Bleacher Fan’s argument that LA should not.



You may have noticed, as astute reader Rocketfan did in the comments, that I intentionally omitted the Oakland Raiders in my “history” of Los Angeles professional football. Tricky, eh? The plan was to see if Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan were able to pick up on the most glaring reason for why the NFL has failed to put a successful franchise in LA for the long term… without handing it them. The smart writers that they are, they each brought up the point about two football teams in LA sharing the spotlight, and some of the difficulties that come with that arrangement. So many of these real estate speculators come into LA spouting off about how LA is a football starved town. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The fact that Los Angeles already has great football and a loyal following for a dominant team – a team that is not subject to stupid NFL broadcast black out rules (as teachj alluded to in the comments) – is really important. Yep, I’m making a reference to the Trojans of USC, and therefore awarding today’s debate win to…

BLEACHER FAN!!!!!

Southern Cal has a huge and loyal football fan base and plenty of other competition for sports allegiance. Any “newcomer” to the LA sports dynamic will be naturally viewed as an interloper on the scene – a team that isn’t TRUE LA, with players who aren’t TRUE LA – and fans will have a difficult time giving themselves over to a new team with unfamiliar players, or an old team with lousy players (if, say, the Buffalo Bills move to LA).

Like the LA Raiders and LA Rams learned years ago, USC football is competition for an LA NFL franchise, even if they do not play on the same day. Split loyalties are hard to overcome for football fans, unless long-standing tradition is stronger. For example, the New York Jets and the New York Giants have been around forever, and the market and tradition is plenty big to handle both. But Chicago, a successful split sport city in baseball, could never support two pro football teams because of long-standing traditions. The same fact is as true in LA now as it was in the 1980s and 1990s – those conditions have not changed.

There is also a fair share of legitimate fan skepticism at this point. If the city has had four different football franchises in town since 1926, why should a fan believe it will work THIS time? Surely they can get behind this team because a team can’t leave for a fifth time, right? Wrong. If the money is right, er, rather, if the attendance is NOT right, the team will move… as is the inescapable tradition of professional football in LA.

Loyal Homer did make a couple of good points, primarily the big TV market point. But market size is only an indicator of potential, not reality. Reality (and history) dictates the NFL moving back to LA would be another mistake, and it has nothing to do with facilities or shifting demographics. Even big kitchens can have too many cooks.

The truth is, as Bleacher Fan stated, the conditions for professional football in LA have not shifted enough to create a good opportunity. And no state of the art, top-of-the-line facility by a successful real estate broker will change that.

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The NFL in LA Debate, Volume 1 – Is An NFL Franchise in LA REALLY a Good Idea?

July 22, 2009

Read Loyal Homer’s argument that Los Angeles should have an NFL team and Bleacher Fan’s argument that LA should not.



Ah, professional football. We have missed you. I mean, summer is great, baseball is fantastic, but that’s about it. Summer is about living in anticipation of America’s TRUE past time – football.

What better way to kick off (get it?) a series of NFL debates in the coming weeks than with a story that is always lurking in the shadows each NFL off-season – will the NFL ever come back to Los Angeles? Each off-season it seems there is another investor, another billionaire, another consensus builder that believes they can bring viable professional football back to the City of Angels.

Before we get to today’s debate question let’s quickly examine an interesting history of football in Los Angeles so writers and readers alike can have a little context.

Football first came to light in Los Angeles in 1926 with the Los Angeles Buccaneers. They weren’t as hapless as Tampa Bay’s version a half-century later, either, finishing their season at 6-3-1 with wins over great teams of the era like the Kansas City Cowboys and the New York Giants – despite having to play all of their games on the road. The Buccaneers were only around for a season, however.

Shortly after World War II ended, so did LA’s pro football drought. In 1946 LA welcomed the Dons of the All-American Football Conference. The team (and the conference) folded in a short four years, in part because of cross town competition from the newly relocated (and Bleacher Fan will love this) Cleveland Rams. Cleveland’s old team settled into its new city until they moved to St. Louis for the 1995 season (and promptly became a respected power and eventual Super Bowl winner ::sigh::).

Since then, the city has achieved only speculation about another professional football franchise (and enjoyed the spoils of a pretty good college team, too).

Speaking of speculation, real estate billionaire Ed Roski is the source of it now. He likely knows what he’s talking about, too, seeing how he helped build the Staples Center and all. Roski has proposed an $800M stadium project in LA that will seat approximately 75,000 fans. LA is the second largest TV market in the country with a local fan base that does love its football. So, why has pro football failed in LA so many times in the past? Is it the saturated market with three teams already in California with the San Diego Chargers, the San Francisco 49ers, and the Oakland Raiders? Is too much sun distracting would be fans from football? Or, is Roski on to something and just the guy to revive professional football in LA? It’s a good thing we all have The Sports Debates to help us sort through these questions!

Today’s question is… Should the NFL do everything in its power to ensure a professional franchise returns to Los Angeles?

Loyal Homer will argue that the NFL should bend over backwards to secure an NFL franchise in Los Angeles while Bleacher Fan will argue that the NFL should tread lightly and not risk another pro football franchise in LA, especially at the expense of the quality of the league.

The coin is flipped. Kick it off, Loyal Homer!

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The NBA Championship Debate – It’s Kobe’s Time

May 29, 2009

(Site note: If you missed the set up to this debate, click here. If you missed why the Magic will win, click here. If you missed how the Cavaliers will win, click here. Read Loyal Homer’s argument for the Lakers, then vote!).



As it stands today, four teams are left in what has been one of the most entertaining playoffs in recent memory. All four teams have strong credentials and a superstar – which is good for ratings. We all know what matchup the NBA and ABC are hoping for. It’s what most fans are hoping for also. But, when all is said and done, no matter what the matchup is in the Finals, I believe the Los Angeles Lakers will come out on top, and win their first championship since 2003.

Sports Geek has given you his reasons why Orlando will win with all of his numbers and statistics. But, that’s what sports geeks do! Bleacher Fan has given his reasons why Cleveland will win. Let me tell you why the Lakers will win.

Kobe knows it’s his time. It’s not quite “now or never” time but it really isn’t that far off. Lebron is only getting better and Wade, Anthony, and Howard are on teams who are only going to get better in the coming years. Perhaps Kobe just isn’t ready to hand over the throne to King James just yet.

It’s been an ongoing debate amongst NBA fans about who the best player in the NBA is right now. The pendulum has swung to Lebron James’ favor in the past year. Heck, even former Laker player (and Kobe Bryant’s former boss) Jerry West agrees. Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwight Howard have had their moment in the spotlight, also. Meanwhile, there’s a guy that plays at the Staples Center. You may have heard of him.

I will say that Andrew Bynum is going to have to consistently step up his game for the Lakers to win. Bynum had an awful two first rounds against the Jazz and Rockets, respectively, but he has picked it up slightly against the Nuggets. To beat the Cavs or Magic, he will have to continue to pick it up.

Let’s not forget the Lakers are coming off an NBA Finals loss last year to the Celtics. Couple the taste of that recent loss with the loss to the Pistons in the 2004, and the Lakers are on what you might call a mini-championship slump. It’s time to right the ship. It’s time for Kobe to get his fourth ring and continue to climb the ladder of the all time greats.

Lakers over the Nuggets in 6. Lakers over The Sharply Dressed Coach Stan Van Gundy and his Orlando Magic team in 6!!!


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