The Rush Limbaugh Ownership Debate – I Can’t Believe I’m Siding With The Owners!!!

October 16, 2009

Read the debate intro, Sports Geek’s argument, and Loyal Homer’s argument about whether or not Rush Limbaugh would make a good addition to the ownership ranks of the NFL.

 
Brendan Behan once said, “There is no such thing as bad publicity unless it is your own obituary.” Rush Limbaugh recently tried to test that theory by bringing his reputation for controversy and divisiveness into the forefront of NFL conversation.

Limbaugh’s undeniable ability to be an influential public figure (for better or for worse) would undoubtedly attract attention to the NFL. The inherent danger of that attention, though, is the potentially negative context surrounding it. For the NFL, the question really comes down to whether or not the risk of negative press is worth the potential reward of the publicity associated with Limbaugh.

In fairness to Limbaugh, professional sports organizations already have had their fair share of controversy. In baseball, former Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott had a reputation for making very controversial comments in the public, and (as pointed out by Sports Geek), Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has a reputation for bad press in the NBA. Would it be wise, though, for the NFL to WILLINGLY open themselves up to the possibility of scandal at the hands of Limbaugh?

In addressing that question, Sports Geek and Loyal Homer voiced their arguments, but it was Sports Geek who came out on top and won the debate.

The NFL executives, players, and owners made their opinions known, with many referring to Limbaugh as “Persona non Grata.” As pointed out by Sports Geek, that is a very strong message about the impact that Limbaugh would have on the league. Contrary to Loyal Homer’s argument, Limbaugh was in fact seeking controlling interest in the Rams. The bridges burned by Limbaugh over his career would most definitely create obstacles that would interfere with his ability to effectively lead one of the league’s franchises.

How does Limbaugh expect to effectively lead an NFL organization when so many influential people in the league – both on and off the field – seem unwilling to work with him? If players are rejecting the notion of playing under him, and owners are unwilling to support his bid for ownership, why should Limbaugh expect any less resistance once a team officially became his?

I completely agree with Loyal Homer’s assessment that the St. Louis Rams need a spark of some kind to re-ignite the winning ways that have long since left the Gateway City. Limbaugh is not the answer, though. While his political opinions and commentary may not directly impact the inner-workings of an NFL franchise, the public backlash and scrutiny from those comments could indirectly impact the organization. It is foolish to assume that public opinion for Limbaugh as a person would not spill over into the opinions of the franchise he would run. Look at Michael Vick’s situation. His history of dog-fighting has no impact at all on his ability to throw a football. However, the public perception of Vick in light of the dog-fighting scandal has changed. In the public eye, there would be no distinction between Rush Limbaugh the political commentator and Rush Limbaugh the NFL owner.

My message to Rush Limbaugh is – Do not quit your day job.

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The Limbaugh Edition Celebrity Ownership Debate – Don’t Be So Quick To Dismiss

October 15, 2009

Read the debate intro and Sports Geek’s argument that Rush Limbaugh would not be a good addition to the NFL as an owner.

The mere thought of Rush Limbaugh becoming a part owner of the St. Louis Rams sent shock waves throughout the country. It seems that everyone has an opinion on it. Other owners have an opinion. Other players have an opinion. NFL Commisioner Roger Goodell has an opinion. Our friends from the NAACP, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, have an opinion (and we know they always do). We all know what OPINION is on all of this. Quite frankly, I am disappointed it has gotten all of this attention.

First Limbaugh has been dropped by the group that is interested in purchasing the Rams, as Bleacher Fan stated in the intro. However, should Rush ever express any interest in becoming part of another group to purchase the Rams or any other team, I, as a fan of the NFL… and even if I was a die-hard fan of that particular team, would not be opposed to it.

I am not condoning any of Rush’s past comments about Donavan McNabb, the NBA, or anything else controversial he has stated. I am not saying I believe everything Rush says, either. I really cannot say either way because I am not an avid Rush Limbaugh listener. None of that matters in this situation, though. Who cares if he is a conservative? It has absolutely nothing to do with him being an owner. His political views would in no way impact whether or not he thinks his team should sign a player. Love him or hate him, Rush has built himself a rather large radio empire, and he did not do that by making unsound business decisions.

I know he has officially been dropped from the group interested in the Rams, but in case you have not noticed, the St. Louis Rams need a change. They need some spice. They need something to draw attention. As I stated in a previous debate, the Rams are not your older brother’s Rams. They are no longer “The Greatest Show on Turf.” In fact, you can make a legitimate argument that are one of – if not THE – worst team in the league. Gone are the days of Warner, Fault, Bruce, and Holt. Why not bring in someone like Rush to charge up the franchise?

I find it funny that people think he was going to be the SOLE owner. He was not. He was not going to be a Jerry Jones or a Daniel Snyder type. He was a part of a group. He was not even going to be a MAJORITY owner. He was going to own only a portion. How much was never specified, but it is reasonable to assume it was not a very big amount. It is just like the situation with the Dolphins, where Marc Anthony, Gloria Estefan, Venus Williams, and Serena Williams own a portion of the team. They are not making day-to-day decisions. Their stakes are not enough to earn that right. I think it is safe to say they have  given the organization a lift, and the value of the franchise will rise because of it.

It looks as if it will not work out with the Rams. But, if Rush shows interest in being a part of another group to purchase another team, then why not? Let him go for it!!! As long as he has the capital to invest, I see absolutely no problem with it.

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The Limbaugh Edition Celebrity Ownership Debate – What’s Next? Howard Stern as the MLB Commissioner?!

October 15, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument and Loyal Homer’s argument about whether or not Rush Limbaugh would make a good addition to the ownership ranks of the NFL.

He has been referred to as the “Most Dangerous Man in America,” the “Doctor of Democracy,” and is the most listened to voice in talk radio… but an NFL Owner?! Conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh recently partnered with St. Louis Blues owner Dave Checketts, to put together a bid to purchase the St. Louis Rams.

Following the death of former Rams owner Georgia Frontiere in January of 2008, rumors began to swirl about whether or not the team, which has not finished better than 8-8 since their last playoff appearance in 2004 and has only won a total of five games since the 2007 season, was actually for sale. Limbaugh, who is a native of Missouri, had expressed an interest in purchasing the team so that he could help ensure that it remain in St. Louis, and not be moved back to Los Angeles. Although this was the first attempt by Limbaugh to acquire ownership of a professional team, it is not his first foray into the world of pro sports. He was at one time the director of promotions for the Kansas City Royals, and he also briefly worked on ESPN’s “Sunday NFL Countdown” before resigning due to controversial statements made at the time about Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb.

Last night, however, Checketts formally announced that Limbaugh was dropped from the group making the bid to purchase the Rams. It seems that Limbaugh’s potential ownership did not sit well among the current ownership ranks in the league, with Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay going so far as to claim that he “couldn’t even consider voting for him.” Many of the owners, who are very familiar with Limbaugh’s ability to stir up controversy through very divisive statements, did not want to open the door to that controversy within their leagues.

What is interesting, however, is that the fans of the NFL seem to be in favor of seeing Limbaugh as the owner of an NFL team. In a poll that was posted online at foxsports.com, 55% of the more than 337,000 people who participated in the poll stated that they would actually like to see Rush as the owner of their team, because of the passion that he would bring to their organization.

Sounds like a question for The Sports Debates!

Today, I am challenging my fellow debaters with the following question: Would Rush Limbaugh be a good addition to the ranks of NFL ownership?

While owners and league officials are concerned about the many controversies stirred up by Limbaugh’s often inflammatory comments and the impact they could have on the league, the majority of fans in the NFL seem to feel differently.

Loyal Homer will take the position that Limbaugh would actually make a positive addition to the NFL as owner of a team. Although he can polarize the public on many issues, that same public seems to be supportive of his bid. Limbaugh would bring his knowledge, experience, and his very large following to the NFL, all of which are very positive additions to the league.

Sports Geek will argue to the contrary, that Limbaugh’s participation as a league owner would actually do more harm than good. He is no stranger to scandal, and his reputation for making inflammatory statements makes him too controversial a figure to welcome into the league as an owner of one of the league’s franchises.

We know what the “Ditto-heads” have to say, so now it is time to hear from The Sports Debates.

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The NFL Fumbling the Playoffs Debate – The Pitiful Meow of the 2009 Carolina Panthers

October 5, 2009

Read Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan’s arguments for which NFL teams they believe have already squandered a chance at postseason glory, just four weeks into the 2009 regular season.



In order for a team to fumble its chances for the postseason – especially this early in the 2009 season – it must have started the season with some shot to actually make the playoffs. In others words, the Cleveland Browns do not really qualify for participation in this debate (lucky for them). This debate is about teams that actually had a shot and have already squandered their chance at the postseason.

Since the lousy usual suspects will not be included, there are just a handful of teams that should have played good football and earned a spot in the playoffs this season. For me, no team has already blown its opportunity at postseason glory quite as spectacularly as the Carolina Panthers.

How appropriate that the Carolina Panthers spent week four of the NFL season at home on a bye week. You know, “bye” as in good “bye” to the team’s postseason chances this season, despite the fact that the calendar still reads early October.

The Panthers are showing all of the signs of a team destined to miss the NFL playoffs after a preseason of hype and high expectations. Exhibit A – the win-loss record. The Panthers completed their preseason slate with a record of 0-4. Fans speculated the team was struggling in the preseason because of the quality teams the Panthers faced, losing at the New York Giants, at Miami, then at home against Baltimore and defending Super Bowl champions Pittsburgh. Tough losses, but it was preseason and not the end of the world.

The thing about losing all of the preseason games is that it creates a culture of losing throughout a team. The Panthers saw that losing culture in full force in week one as the team hosted Philadelphia, and were destroyed 38-10. The Panthers followed up that surprising loss with a trip to Atlanta to face a Falcons team with many weapons. The Panthers lost that game, too, and then traveled to Dallas and lost on Monday night, scoring a mere seven points.

While the offense has struggled, the normally excellent defense that is the hallmark of Panther teams has struggled as well. For some perspective on the poor play of the defense, consider that the Panthers have given up more points than EVERY team in the NFC, except the St. Louis Rams.

That Panthers have only outpaced the offensive prowess of two other teams in the NFL – the Cleveland Browns and the St. Louis Rams. Not the company a team wants to keep in the stat column this season.

So, the offense is bad and the defense is bad. All of the badness will make it difficult to come back and compete in a division that is tough. The Panthers have already lost to one division opponent – the Atlanta Falcons – and will have a challenge to beat them when the two teams play again. The New Orleans Saints lead the division and promise to continue giving Carolina’s defense fits. The Panthers even trail the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in tiebreakers, placing the presumed impressive Panthers squarely in the basement of the NFC South.

The team is also suffering from the slow decline of established veteran leadership and infighting – and the two issues are related. Quarterback Jake Delhomme has slowly changed into a leader with diminishing skills. In the opening game of the season the quarterback threw a whopping four interceptions before getting the hook from the head coach. He has now thrown seven interceptions in three games. His teammates are apparently frustrated. Star wide receiver Steve Smith, showing an uncanny ability for how to use the media, called in to a local sports talk show in Charlotte to announce that he “never liked” Delhomme as a quarterback. When the quarterback and star receiver are not getting along… well, that is not exactly a foundation for a winning team.

On top of all of these obvious issues, the team is now losing faith in its head coach, John Fox. If the coach’s seat was warming up on September 13 – before the season actually started – then it must be on fire now.

The simple fact is that all signs point to a continued collapse from the Panthers. The team does not appear to have the guts and leadership to pull itself up by the bootstraps and compete in the division and fight for a spot in the playoffs. After all of the preseason and training camp belief that the Carolina Panthers were a team destined for an appearance in the postseason, they are now the team most notorious for blowing their shot early in the season.

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The Should the NFL Relax the Blackout Rules Debate – Blackouts Hurt the Fans

September 8, 2009

Read the debate intro and Bleacher Fan’s argument that the NFL’s blackout policy should remain the same.



Close your eyes and imagine this scenario three weeks from now.

It has been a really hard week at the office, located in Eden Prairie, just outside Minneapolis, Minnesota. The boss is a jerk. He told you to stay late every day during the week. He even told you to come in on Saturday, causing you to miss the first wave of college football games (now he is past the point of being a jer – who does that anyway?!). Now, after going to church on Sunday morning and eating a nice lunch with the family, you plan on getting in your recliner and watching the Vikings -49ers game on local FOX affiliate KMSP. You are really excited because Favre and Peterson had a great first two weeks of the season. Someone offered to sell you a ticket to the game earlier in the week, but with times being tough, you did not feel like you could afford to go. But that is okay, because you like watching it at home with your two boys (ages nine and six) who are reaching that age where football has become a big part of their lives. They are big Vikings fans, also. Adrian Peterson is their favorite player. Twelve o’clock local time comes and… what is this? This is not the Vikings-49ers!!! Why are they showing the Packers-Rams game? What???? You scream “I hate the Packers! Everyone in Minnesota hates the Cheeseheads! The Rams are awful!” (Hmmm, didn’t someone else say the Rams are awful?)

Welcome to the life of a NFL fan in 2009!

In case you have not heard, it appears that the NFL is going to have numerous games blacked out this year. What that means is that if the home team does not sell out its home game, the game is blacked out in the home team’s local market. There are no winners in this situation. The owners do not get the extra revenue from a sold out stadium. The TV station carrying the game suffers lower ratings. But, the real loser is the average NFL fan!

This has obviously been a tough year economically. It is going to continue to be tough. Last year, the average NFL ticket costs $72.20. How many families can afford to go to a game at those prices any year, much less this year?

Here is another question I have always had – and maybe this is because I do not live in a big television market: If I am debating going to a game, does whether or not it comes on TV play into it? Do I sit around thinking, “Hey, the Vikings game may be not be on TV Sunday so I better buy a ticket.” I cannot envision a lot of people thinking that way.

I see no harm in lifting the blackout policy. I really do not think it is going to cause a dramatic decrease in ticket sales. If you are set on going to the game, whether or not it is going to be on TV rarely ever enters the equation when deciding on whether or not to go. Also, how are the teams supposed to build their fan bases to the casual fan, or the new fan, if the games are not regularly on television locally? I bet a lot of fans, especially outside of the home market, are unaware if a game is going to be blacked out. Perhaps it is even true that most fans do not even know the blackout rules.

The NFL is arguably the most popular league in today’s sports landscape. Therefore, everyone should be able to watch their home team play on the tube, no matter what. It is an easy call! Yes they should! The long term benefits outweigh any minimal damage.

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The Which NFL Team Should Be Demoted Debate – The Rams Deserve a Demotion

September 7, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument that Oakland deserves demotion and Bleacher Fan’s argument that Detroit deserves demotion.



The NFL season kicks off officially Thursday night, with the Steelers taking on the Titans. The full week schedule, of course, begins on Sunday. Some teams really start off the season under the gun. Quite frankly, some teams just are not very good. In fact, if one team deserved to be demoted from the NFL, it would be the St. Louis Rams.

Quite honestly, the Rams are not very good right now. My how they have really fallen from being “The Greatest Show on Turf.” I thoroughly enjoyed watching those teams. What a show they could put on, with the likes of quarterback Kurt Warner, running back Marshall Faulk, and wide receivers Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce. Now Warner coming off a Super Bowl appearance with Arizona, Faulk is working for the NFL Network, Holt is with Jacksonville, and Bruce is with the 49ers.

Now the Rams have a new coach in former New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. Last year they played under Scott Linehan, who was fired, and interim coach Jim Haslett. The 2008 Rams finished 2-14, which was proceeded by a 3-13 record in 2007. There is no guarantee that this year’s team is going to reach either one of those records.

Do not let the 2009 preseason record of 3-1 fool you. The Detroit Lions went 3-1 this preseason, if that tells you anything. The Rams are still bad. Just take a look at their roster.

When healthy, quarterback Marc Bulger and running back Steven Jackson are good players. Bulger is a two-time Pro Bowler who has struggled some the past two years but still is a serviceable quarterback. Jackson is a former Pro Bowler who has rushed for over 1,000 yards the past four seasons. After that, it is slim pickings for an offense that scored a minuscule 232 points last year. Longtime Rams receiver Torry Holt left for Jacksonville, leaving the likes of Donnie Avery and Laurent Robinson at wide receiver. Some of you may have heard of both of these guys, but most probably have not. Just take a look at their depth chart! Yikes!

On defense, it is much of the same story. Recent draft picks Chris Long and James Laurinaitis may eventually pay off down the road, but right now, it is a weak defense.

The Rams, like several NFL teams, may be experiencing blackout problems this year. The Rams had two blackouts last year and have not officially released any numbers regarding potential blackouts this year. But it is logical to think that if the Rams struggle right out of the gate, the possibility of multiple blackouts looms large. Playing in the NFC West definitely helps the team, as it is one of the weaker divisions in football, and the schedule could be tougher. But, the Rams are definitely in no position to overlook anyone.

I really hope the Rams turn it around. I miss watching The Greatest Show on Turf. It fits my football mindset. What does not fit my football mindset is how the team is now. It is bad, folks. It is so bad that if I had to choose one team for demotion, it would be the St. Louis Rams! Prove me wrong, Rams!

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The 2009 Toughest Division in the NFL Debate – The NFC East is the Beast of the NFL

August 31, 2009

Read Sports Geek and Bleacher Fan’s arguments for which division in the NFL will be the toughest in the 2009 season.



We are less than two weeks away from the start of the NFL season. The anticipation is building. Some starting positions have been decided, while others are still up for grabs. Once those are all settled the teams can focus on the season and made that seventeen week push to the playoffs. Some will have more difficult roads than others, due in large part to where they play – which division. For example, the NFC West and AFC West appear to be down once again. But several other division races are sure to be exciting up until Week 17. After evaluating all of the divisions, I have decided that the NFC East is the overall best division in the NFL.

One element that makes this race interesting is that all four teams are in cities that are in the top 10 in television markets. These teams do not lack for attention and it sure helps that all four are competitive. I am not sure that you can look at any other division and realistically say “Any team in that division can make the playoffs.” Last year, the four teams all had at least a .500 record. The only other division that could say that was the NFC South.

The Philadelphia Eagles, who made the playoffs last year as a wild card and advanced to the NFC conference championship, return a strong nucleus. Granted, some of the stars like quarterback Donavan McNabb and running back Brian Westbrook are getting older. But they added some potential playmakers by drafting wide receiver Jeremy Maclin and running back LeSean McCoy. Plus, you may have heard that they also picked up a backup quarterback. Some guy by the name of Michael Vick.

The New York Giants, the reigning division winner, struggled down the stretch without Plaxico Burress. I am not convinced they have addressed their offensive concerns in the offseason. Running back Derrick Ward left via free agency. The wide receiving core is young and inexperienced. Not to mention that last season’s defensive coordinator, Steve Spagnuolo, left to become head coach of the St. Louis Rams. With that said, the Giants are just two years removed from a championship, and they still have to be considered a threat to win the division. Eli Manning also has a new contract, so he will be itching to prove his worth and prove the critics wrong who say the Giants overpaid.

The Dallas Cowboys are America’s team, and this year they are America’s team without society’s newest reality TV star Terrell Owens. This is a big year for head coach Wade Phillips, too. Missing the playoffs is a real possibility, especially in this division. You know general manager Jerry Jones will be looking for a scapegoat if the Cowboys do not make the playoffs in their first year of playing in beautiful new Cowboys Stadium. Fortunately, plenty of weapons return. The key to the Cowboys is whether or not wide receiver Roy Williams can step up and become the number one receiver the Cowboys expect him to be. The playoffs are a realistic goal.

The Washington Redskins, after getting off to a very strong start, limped to a 2-6 finish. We all know Redskins owner Daniel Snyder refuses to sit still, and he proved us right again by giving an extremely big contract to defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. Perhaps no quarterback in the league is facing more pressure than Jason Campbell. After flirting with acquiring Jay Cutler and trading up to draft Mark Sanchez, the Redskins decided to stick with Campbell who is entering a contract year. Campbell is popular in the clubhouse, but it is his responsibility to get the Redskins back to the playoffs. Finishing 8-8 was the worst record in the division, which says a lot about the strength and the parity in the division.

All four of these teams can realistically make the playoffs. Can any other division say that? Maybe the AFC East. Maybe!! But the NFC East has a much stronger case and overall, from top to bottom, the teams are better. The division is the class of the NFL!

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