The College Coaches Banning NFL Scouts Debate

August 19, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan.

It is plain to see that the NFL is creating quite a mess for college football programs these days. NCAA investigations into schools like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, and South Carolina – for allegations of improper contact – reveal that the problem of outside interference on college campuses is both very broad and very real.

Alabama head Nick Saban is taking matters into his own hands. He is currently refusing to allow NFL scouts to even attend practices. Other coaches like Notre Dame’s Brian Kelly don’t view scouts as the problem. Kelly has stated that the Irish won’t ban scouts, but will instead attempt to address the situation by better educating student athletes about the issue.

It seems logical that colleges would take steps to keep agents out. But scouts? These guys are not the ones offering cars and houses under the table to amateur athletes. They are the ones with clipboards and stopwatches sweating in the stands trying to earn a living by discovering the next big thing. Scouts help make college dreams of NFL success possible. Are these guys really to blame as well?

Loyal Homer believes scouts do share blame. He will argue that programs are well within their right to ban NFL scouts to preserve their programs. Bleacher Fan, on the other hand, believes scouts should be left to do their job.

One argument will prevail while the other will be shut out faster than a scout with a roll of hundreds at a Crimson Tide practice. Who has the right idea?

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The 2009 Best Conference in College Football Debate – The SEC Remains on Top

September 2, 2009

Read the debate intro and Sports Geek’s argument that the Big XII is the nation’s best conference.



As the college football season officially kicks off tomorrow when South Carolina plays North Carolina State, Sports Geek and I have decided to tackle a topic that is rather popular in certain parts of the country. With no disrespect intended towards the other four BCS conferences, let’s be real. The SEC and the Big XII are FAR and away the top two conferences in college football. All you have to do is look at the preseason Associated Press poll. There are five SEC teams in the top 15 (Florida, Alabama, Ole Miss, LSU, and Georgia) to go along with three Big XII teams (Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State). It is quite obvious that coming into the season that the SEC has a slight lead over the Big XII in regards to which is the best conference.

The best way to clearly answer the question is to look at the top of the mountain and see that the Florida Gators are CLEARLY the best team in the nation. CLEARLY! Even the mighty Sports Geek cannot disagree with that assessment (just a hint of sarcasm there). Last year, on a neutral field, Oklahoma could not beat the Gators in the national championship. Oklahoma has done nothing during the offseason to convince me that if they played again, the outcome would be any different.

Another issue that separates the two conferences to me is the quality of the teams from top to bottom. It is fairly obvious that both conferences have strong teams at the top. That falls under the “No Duh” category. But, take away the top two in each conference (Florida and Alabama, Texas and Oklahoma) and look at the rest of the conference.

Ole Miss is a trendy pick to make a splash this year. They are riding a wave of buzz after defeating Florida last year and then defeating Texas Tech (yes, a Big XII team) in the Cotton Bowl. I am high on LSU this year as they look to rebound from an average 2008 campaign. While UGA may be rebuilding, they still expect to have a strong year. The other three bowl eligible teams (Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and South Carolina) will likely stay competitive. The four “bottom” teams from last year (Auburn, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Tennessee) are looking at making improvements. Arkansas should be stronger with the addition of Michigan transfer quarterback Ryan Mallett. Auburn, Tennessee, and Mississippi State are creating some buzz with their new coaches – especially Tennessee.

The Big XII is strong in the middle with Oklahoma State, Nebraska, Kansas, and Texas Tech. Where I see a difference is at the bottom. Iowa State finished 2-10 last year and Baylor and Texas A &M both finished 4-8. Those numbers say enough.

Last year, the SEC placed eight teams in bowl games compared with seven for the Big XII. I am not seeing a big drop off this year. If anything, a couple of the lower teams could be better. From the best team in the conference to the worst team in the conference, the SEC appears to be a bit stronger than the Big XII.

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The Psychology of the Pre-Season Poll Debate – Don’t Predict the Future

July 30, 2009

Read the debate intro and Sports Geek’s argument that pre-season polls should be constructed with the end of the season in mind.



Guys and gals, when we starting talking about pre-season polls, you know college football season is approaching.

Bleacher Fan poses an interesting question for us. Basically, I must get into the mind of a college football pollster and decide what the best mind frame is when constructing a pre-season poll. Should a pollster vote with the end of the season in mind, or should they vote based on how good they think a team will be at the beginning of the season? Without a doubt, the pollster should vote based on the beginning of the season.

Bleacher Fan alluded to this in the intro, but I want to take it a step further. Georgia was the pre-season number one team last year, and with good reason. They returned pre-season Heisman contenders in quarterback Matthew Stafford and running back Knoshown Moreno. Georgia ended the previous season by whipping a hapless Hawaii team 41-10 in the Sugar Bowl. Coming off the season they had in 2007, Georgia deserved to be ranked number one during the pre-season. The consensus was that it would be extremely difficult for Georgia to finish the season as champions. When prognosticators were giving their BCS Championship predictions last July, Georgia was rarely mentioned. Why, you ask? Because the schedule was absolutely daunting! Road trips to South Carolina, Arizona State, LSU, and Auburn added to home games against Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia Tech. Not to mention the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party down in Jacksonville against the mighty Florida Gators (politically correct or not, that’s what everyone in the South still calls it). That still leaves out a possible SEC championship game. Looking at that schedule before the season, most folks outside of Athens – and even some of in Athens – agreed that it was going to be extremely difficult to finish number one. But, going into the season, based on how they finished the previous season and who they had returning, Georgia was a very deserving number one in the pre-season.

As Bleacher Fan said, circumstances often come up that change how the best football team is determined, or even how a mid-level team is perceived. Maybe injuries pop up. Maybe the quarterback gets kicked off the team for not “earning” his money at his “job” (see Rhett Bomar). Maybe a star player gets a DUI and his playing status is thrown into question (see Mississippi State running back Anthony Dixon). These things are absolutely impossible to predict. There’s just no way. If a pollster really knows for certain who is going to be number one at the end of the season, please send them to my home. I’d love to have a chat with them. I’ll even give them a dollar to go buy me a lottery ticket. As my father likes to say, “I don’t have to win the lottery but one time, you know!

I also like to know that if my team finishes the previous season well, I’ve got a pretty good chance to see them in the pre-season rankings. It seems like every year Clemson would be ranked in the pre-season thanks to a strong late season push. But, that would be followed by a mediocre start to the next season (sorry, Sports Geek!). At least they had the pre-season polls to look forward to every year.

The bottom line is that pollsters should vote based on the here and now. They can’t read into the future, no matter how smart they think they are. There’s no sense in even trying!

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The 2009 College Football Undefeated Team Debate – The Gators Can Run the Table

July 27, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument that Texas can run the table and Bleacher Fan’s argument that Penn State can roll through the season undefeated.



Folks, it’s getting to be the time where we really can start to get excited about the start of football season. The Sports Debates is especially excited about it. I hope you enjoy our football debates over the coming months.

Today, we are discussing which team has the best chance to go undefeated in 2009. After doing a little research, I have determined that I think the defending national champion Florida Gators have the best chance to go undefeated. There’s no doubt that expectations are high down in Gainesville this year. That’s the case pretty much every year. But, this year is different. Mr. Everything Tim Tebow (you may have heard of him) is back for his senior season, and the team as a whole returns 18 starters including all eleven on defense. In fact, the Gators have 12 players on the preseason All-SEC first and second team. Anything less than a national title will likely be viewed as a disappointment.

The offense was ranked fourth nationally last year with an average of 43.6 points per game. While losing athletic wide receiver Percy Harvin and wide receiver Louis Murphy, the Gators still return a plethora of running backs including Jeffrey Demps, Chris Rainey, Emmanuel Moody, and others. You might as well consider Tebow a running back also.

There’s also strong leadership on this team with Tebow and with Brandon Spikes on defense. Both guys passed up a chance to enter the NFL Draft so they could come back and attempt to win a second consecutive championship. Together, the two of them have posted an outstanding 35-6 record in their three years at Florida with two national championships in, arguably, college football’s toughest conference (though Bleacher Fan would not agree!).

In a short time frame, head coach Urban Meyer has developed into one of college football’s most revered coaches. Loved by some and hated by others, Meyer quickly has put the Gators back on top, as he has achieved a 44-9 record in four years. He gets under the skin of Gator haters, though I believe that new Tennessee head coach Lane Kiffin may have replaced him as the conference’s most hated coach – which is strange considering Kiffin has yet to coach a game yet. I also don’t think these two will be playing a round of golf together anytime soon after Kiffin’s mouth got him in trouble (and it wasn’t the only time.).

There’s no getting around the fact that the Gators have a tough schedule this year. There’s also no getting around the fact that every SEC team has a tough schedule every year and they know that going into the season. That makes it really difficult to go undefeated. The Gators have a potentially rough trip to Baton Rouge on October 10th to take on LSU. Chances are that game will be a night game, which makes it extra tough. A night game at Death Valley is really rough on the opponent and its fans! But, the Gators may catch a break as they have an off week to prepare for that game. Their other tough games are the neutral site games (though the neutrality of the site is debatable) against Georgia and a November trip to South Carolina. It will be extremely tough, but an undefeated season is not out of the question.

I’d be stupid to truly predict anything, especially since we, at the Sports Debates, try to stay away from any type of prediction – it’s just not what we do. But, out of all of the teams that I have looked at, I believe the Florida Gators have the best chance to run the table. The experience they have coming back with 18 starters offsets any concerns I have about the rugged schedule.

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