The Naming The Starting Quarterback Debate – Mangini Blew It!

September 16, 2009

Read the debate intro, Sports Geek’s argument, and Loyal Homer’s argument regarding whether or not Eric Mangini made the correct decision in keeping his starting quarterback a secret.



I have some advice for Eric Mangini: When you make a decision that almost NOBODY agrees with, it is probably safe to assume that they (not you) are correct.

The victory for this debate goes to Sports Geek.

Sports Geek hits the nail right on the head. Mangini over-thought the situation, and ended up hindering his own team rather than the opposition. When looking at the mistakes that caused the most problems for the Cleveland Browns on offense, every one of them could at least partly be attributed to a lack of comfort or familiarity between quarterback Brady Quinn and his teammates.

When Quinn threw his only interception of the game, it was clearly the result of miscommunication between him and wide receiver Braylon Edwards. Quinn threw the ball believing Edwards would cut left, but Edwards instead cut right believing that Quinn was throwing elsewhere. The result was a ball thrown to a place where no receiver could catch it, and it was easily intercepted by the Vikings. The Browns were also called for four false-start penalties, several of which came at very costly times. Perhaps if the offense had more time to familiarize themselves with Quinn’s cadence, they would have been more prepared during a game situation, and would have jumped less in those critical moments.

Do not get me wrong, Mangini’s decision to keep his starter a secret is not the sole reason why the Browns lost on Sunday, but he did not do the team any favors. His decision to keep his choice a secret actually backfired, because it created AT LEAST as much confusion for his own team than it did the Minnesota Vikings.

Loyal Homer’s argument, in theory, is absolutely correct. Mangini as head coach of a professional football team should be doing everything in his power to give his team every possible advantage that he can gain for them (especially with the 2009 Browns, who will likely need all the help they can get). The problem that I have with Mangini’s decision in this case is that his choice negatively impacted his own team just as much as it did the Vikings. Eric Mangini, in addition to his responsibility of trying to gain every tactical advantage that he can, also has a responsibility to protect the weaknesses of his own organization. The latter was sacrificed last Sunday, and the Browns paid the price.

I have no problems with a coach trying new, innovative, or even unorthodox tactics to gain an edge. But, it is irresponsible to take those measures when it impedes your own team’s ability to develop. Mangini’s FIRST responsibility is to create a cohesive and productive unit that will successfully compete on Sunday afternoons. This was simply a matter of putting the horse before the cart.

Those tactics of gamesmanship and subversive communication are rarely successful when used to mask a team’s deficiencies. Secrecy works for Bill Belichek and the New England Patriots because they function successfully as a team. Fundamentally they are a sound organization, and have consistently proven that they can succeed in almost any situation. For a team like that, the strategies of misinformation and misdirection are successful because they are being used to support strong performances, rather than mask poor ones. Eric Mangini should first focus on developing a fundamentally sound team. Until then, he should forget about the mind-games.

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The Naming The Starting Quarterback Debate – If a “Mangenius” Does Something that Doesn’t Make Sense to Me, Why Do I Think HE’S Wrong?

September 15, 2009

Read Sports Geek and Loyal Homer’s argument on whether or not Cleveland Browns head coach Eric Mangini’s decision to keep the starting quarterback a secret was a good one.



For weeks building up to (and through) the preseason, there was much speculation in Cleveland as to who the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns would be. Would it be the 2007 Pro Bowler Derek Anderson, or the highly touted 2007 draft pick Brady Quinn? Last season, it appeared that Quinn had officially claimed the spot when he replaced Anderson mid-season. However, subsequent injuries by both Quinn and Anderson during the 2008 season, along with the announcement that Eric Mangini would replace Romeo Crennel as head coach, threw everything back up in the air.

When Mangini came into the Browns organization, he immediately announced that there would be an open competition for the starting quarterback position. All through training camp, there was speculation around which quarterback actually had the edge. Neither seemed to take the steps necessary to claim the starting position outright, leaving the public with only guesses as to what was going on in the head of Mangini.

Then, in a move that had many people around the league scratching their heads, Mangini publicly stated that he would keep the starting quarterback a secret even after deciding who it would be. His reasoning – to keep the Vikings guessing.

The Minnesota Vikings were scheduled as the Browns’ week one opponents, and Mangini felt that he was gaining a competitive edge over Minnesota with the secret because it forced the Vikings to prepare for defending against two different quarterbacks, instead of just one.

Now that the first week of NFL competition is complete, with the Vikings beating the Browns by a score of 34-20, I am asking my esteemed colleagues at The Sports Debates to evaluate Mangini’s decision.

In hindsight, was it a wise decision by Eric Mangini to keep his choice as starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns a secret until the last possible moment?

Keep in mind that losing the game does not automatically mean that Mangini made a poor choice. If not for running back Adrian Peterson’s impressive performance on offense for the Vikings (180 rushing yards and three touchdowns), the Vikings could have lost on Sunday.

Loyal Homer will argue that this decision, although it did not help change the outcome of the game, was still a wise decision on the part of Eric Mangini because the Vikings had to split their defensive focus and could not prepare for simply one gameplan. Sports Geek will argue that the choice was a bad one.

So which is it? Were these the actions of a mad-man or a Man-genius?!

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The Who Should Have Signed Michael Vick Debate – Buccaneers’ Missed Opportunity for “Vick”-tory

August 17, 2009

Read Sports Geek and Loyal Homer’s arguments on which teams would have been a better fit for Michael Vick.



I was as shocked as anyone to see the announcement last week that Michael Vick signed with the Philadelphia Eagles. Not shocked because of what it meant for Vick, but for what it meant for the Philadelphia Eagles organization.

The Eagles now have to accept full responsibility for the social experiment that is Michael Vick’s return to the NFL. Whether it is the intention of head coach Andy Reid that Vick compete with the incumbent Donovan McNabb for the starting quarterback position or not, people will nevertheless view the two stars as competing. That perceived competition will add undue pressure to McNabb, and it unnecessarily shifts focus away from the more pressing needs of the team.

If Reid tries to insert Vick into a new role which he is not as comfortable playing in, and Vick fails, then Reid will be to blame for misappropriating Vick’s skills because he put Vick in a position where he was destined to fail. Either way, Vick can mitigate many of his shortcomings, and the Eagles will be almost entirely to blame if the experiment is unsuccessful.

The Philadelphia Eagles are the wrong fit for Michael Vick.

The team that should have been trying DESPERATELY to bring Vick into their organization is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers! Whether they believed the negative press was worth it or not, the Buccaneers are in desperate need of a player with Vick’s abilities. Tampa Bay would have presented a much more suitable home for #7.

The most obvious reason why Vick belongs in Tampa Bay is because the team is starved for talent at the quarterback position. Under new general manager Mark Dominik, and new head coach Raheem Morris, 2009 will mark the fifth time in six seasons that the Buccaneers begin the year with a new starting quarterback. This year, it will either be career backup Luke McCown or the injury-prone Byron Leftwich playing the role of signal-caller – and expectations are not very high for either.

Neither McCown nor Leftwich present Tampa with a viable long-term solution under center. While there may be questions regarding whether or not Vick can return to the same level he was playing at when he left the game, it is hard to argue against the fact that he still presents greater upside for the team than do the current options of Leftwich and McCown. Raheem Morris has already embraced 2009 as being a year with an open quarterback competition, so why not add Vick into the mix? He would have been available at a very cheap price (signing with Philadelphia for $1.6M with a team option for a second year), posing only a minimal risk that could have paid off with huge dividends if Vick were able to step in and lead the Buccaneers.

What made the seeming lack of interest from Tampa even more surprising was the fact that the Buccaneers had a very aggressive offseason in many other aspects. The team had already brought in tight end Kellen Winslow from Cleveland and running back Derrick Ward from the New York Giants. They had also released some of their ‘older’ big name players like wide receiver Ike Hilliard and linebacker Derrick Brooks. The Buccaneers appeared to be a rebuilding team ready to look to the future, except at the quarterback position.

The combination of Michael Vick with Kellen Winslow, Jr. would have been especially exciting (and productive). While with Atlanta, Vick’s favorite target was his tight end Alge Crumpler. Over the five year period they were paired together, Vick and Crumpler combined for more than 3,700 receiving yards and 30 touchdowns. Winslow, a pro bowler with a remarkable ability to make big plays (he even made Derek Anderson look good!), would have been a perfect complement to Vick. Vick’s scrambling and rushing ability would have also paired nicely with Derrick Ward in the backfield, who rushed for more than 1,000 yards last season in part time work for the Giants.

Tampa Bay had a great deal to gain and very little to lose if they pulled the trigger on a deal with Michael Vick. In the midst of rebuilding, and in dire need for talent at the quarterback position, the Buccaneers would have been able to put Vick’s considerable ability to immediate use. While the prospect of dealing with the negative publicity from signing Vick may have seemed unappealing to Dominik and Morris – both of whom are themselves rookies in their respective roles – the seeming refusal to even consider Vick is something they will regret for years to come.

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The NFL Training Camp Position Battle Debate – The Motown Quarterback Battle

July 31, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument that the New York Giants wide receiver battle is the year’s best training camp battle and Bleacher Fan’s argument that the Browns quarterback situation is the most fascinating battle looming in training camp .



Guys and gals, we hope you have enjoyed this week’s round of debates. We’ve enjoyed bringing them to you. As you can tell by our topics this week, the three of us are very excited about the upcoming football season, both professional and college football. Yes, we all love baseball. We also all support three different teams passionately, which makes for interesting behind the scenes chatter. But, nothing gets our juices flowing like those fall weekends!

Today, we are discussing which training camp battle promises to be the most intriguing. After some deep thought (yes, I go there occasionally), I have decided that the quarterback battle up in Detroit between rookie Matthew Stafford and veteran Daunte Culpepper is the league’s best.

Let’s recap the situation if you are not familiar. Stafford, of course, was the number one pick in this year’s draft. He played his college ball at the University of Georgia. Prior to being drafted, he agreed to a six year deal worth up to $78 million – with $41.7 million being guaranteed. (Whether or not NFL draft picks receive too much money is definitely a debate we will look at in the future.)Scouts are mixed on him, and there’s actually some question as to who will be a better NFL quarterback. Will it be Stafford or New York Jets first round pick Mark Sanchez? Stafford, without a doubt, has a cannon for an arm. It’s something that allowed him to get away with suspect footwork and inconsistent accuracy in college. That’s not going to happen in the NFL. Nonetheless, he is the future of the Detroit Lions organization and quite possibly the present.

Culpepper played for the Lions last year after signing with them mid-season. He suffered a shoulder injury that cut short his season, but he appears ready to go in 2009. Culpepper is a former star quarterback, having made the Pro Bowl three times earlier this decade with the Minnesota Vikings. Unfortunately, injuries derailed his career and he has been floating around the past few years (with a mini-retirement mixed in at the beginning of the 2008 season.) He’s thrown for over 23,000 yards in his career, so there’s no doubting his past credentials. But, he’d be the first one to tell you he is not what he was in his prime with the Vikings.

This also is not really going to be a dirty battle. Both guys appear to get along. Both are saying all the right things in public. Stafford has put in the work over the summer, but then again, so has Culpepper. Let’s face it… a lot of things are up for grabs with the Lions. Coming off a winless season, no one’s job is really safe. With a new coach in Jim Schwartz, everyone is essentially going to starting fresh.

I know this is off the radar a little. The only reason this battle would get any attention is because of Stafford’s status as a number one pick. What Detroit is going to have to decide is do they want to throw Stafford right into the fire and learn on the fly with a bad team (like Indianapolis did with Peyton Manning) or do they want him learning behind an experienced veteran like Culpepper? No matter what, it will be interesting to see how it turns out.

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