The Best NFL HOF Class of All Time Debate… Walsh, Noll, and Payton Clinch the Best Class

August 13, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Bleacher Fan and Loyal Homer.

This debate almost seems ridiculous. I mean, how can you possibly narrow down the best overall class in the history of the NFL Hall of Fame? Just thinking about this made my head want to explode. So, I dug down deep and determined that history – history not just of the players, but of the development of the league overall – had to play a major role in the best class ever.

Two comments of caution before I give the full blown reasoning for why 1993 blows away the Hall of Fame competition.

The preeminent, in-your-face mantra that sports media hits us all in the face with day in and day out is “what have you done for me lately.” It is precisely that faulty reasoning that entraps my two esteemed competitors today. Recent classes lack the context of history that helps bring accomplishments and overall impact into focus.

My second word of caution when evaluating a great Hall of Fame class? Fight the urge to simply reward good players, or even great players. Sure, they deserve recognition and Hall of Fame status. But, did they do anything to the game of football that left a lasting impact, besides a smattering of personal accomplishments and records? Did they help shape the modern game? Good Hall of Fame classes are comprised of solid players with the right list of accomplishments to warrant a bronze bust. Great classes – the best class ever – must do something over the top, something greater than personal accomplishments.

With those two cautionary comments in mind, I submit only one choice for the best NFL Hall of Fame class ever –1993.

One reason why this class sticks out is that it only had five inductees. Folks, less is more when it comes to Hall of Fame inductees. Quality beats quantity everyday.

This class had boatloads of quality. First, quarterback Dan Fouts, one of the two great quarterbacks the league has ever seen that also failed to win a title. Next was legendary guard Larry Little, one of the greatest stories in the Hall of Fame considering he was undrafted out of Bethune-Cookman College. He was a member of some of the great Dolphins teams of the 1970s as well.

But, while those players are both nice stories, they pale in comparison to the 1993’s final three inductees.

My affection and admiration for Walter Payton has been chronicled before at The Sports Debates. In fact, I believe him to be the greatest running back of all time. He accomplished more in less time – with an unmatched toughness and grace – than any other running back in the history of the league. And, if you got back and look at the stats from a past debate, our most loyal readers overwhelmingly agree with me. Payton changed the perception of the running back position. Payton was tougher and more versatile than his predecessors, and his lasting impact on the game is still felt today. The idea that running backs have to be great pass catchers and great runners is part of our professional football understanding now because of the standard Payton set.

The fourth member of the class is Chuck Noll. If you don’t know much about Noll, learn. Noll rightly gets a great deal of credit for racial integration in the NFL as the head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He made Joe Gilliam, and African-American, one of the league’s first black starting quarterbacks. Noll put another African-American in at starting running back, a guy named Franco Harris, who won the 1975 Super Bowl MVP. Noll helped shape the career of Tony Dungy, who played for the master coach and also was part of his staff for many years, including a position as a defensive coordinator. Noll was not only a great coach who won four Super Bowls and 209 career games, he left an impressive mark on the game by spearheading its inclusiveness, helping to shape the game we all enjoy today.

The final member of the class is Bill Walsh. Some sports fans know Walsh as the mastermind of the San Francisco 49ers teams that won three Super Bowls. That alone is enough for a Hall of Fame bust. But while Noll’s legacy has faded into the background of a fast evolving modern society, Walsh’s impact on the game is still seen every Sunday by any team running the famed West Coast Offense (yes, it has its own Web site). That’s right – Walsh invented the offense that has confounded defensive coordinators for decades. Well, perhaps he did not invent it. He perfected it, though, as a student of the inventor of modern professional football, Paul Brown.

If that legacy is not enough, consider the coaching tree he has left behind. Twelve current NFL coaches are linked back to Walsh. And the list of 12 current coaches does not include guys like Mike Holmgren, Sam Wyche, Dennis Green, Mike Tice, Brian Billick, Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, Steve Mariucci, and many more. Walsh’s impact on the game is, in many respects, even larger than that of his teacher. Not only did he perfect a now dominant offense and achieve personal accolades, he also trained the majority of minds that are still positively impacting professional football today. No other Hall of Famer has the credentials Walsh has.

While Walsh alone is enough to give the 1993 class the nod of superiority, adding in Noll, Payton along with Fouts and Little makes this the highest quality, most well rounded NFL Hall of Fame class in its history.
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The Should the NFL Relax the Blackout Rules Debate – The Policy Is Fair Now, and In The Future

September 9, 2009

Read the debate intro, Loyal Homer’s argument that the NFL should update their game blackout rules and Bleacher Fan’s argument that the NFL should not.



It seems that some fans are convinced that the NFL is more interested in being business-friendly than fan-friendly. Certainly it is compelled to be business-friendly, and no fault is passed for that. Fans start complaining, however, when NFL teams are moving games to London, England and the commissioner of the league is talking about having a franchise there in the future. Fans are allowed to be cautious in how they view the league.

In fact, the public relations battle that people in the NFL seem to love is a constant roller coaster. Just look at San Diego Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman, currently accused of choking his girlfriend. He released three statements back-to-back-to-back to show how innocent he is. Public relations (as a discipline, not as a literal concept of relating the public) are a big part of the NFL engine. They use their resources to fight fan negativity and convince the Eskimos that buying some more ice is a good idea.

Because of that, fans of the NFL have a reason to gripe about certain issues. However, the NFL’s blackout rules do not give fans fodder for their complaint cannon (side note: how cool would it be to really have a cannon that shoots complaints?). Therefore, Bleacher Fan wins.

It is easy to, as Loyal Homer points out, highlight how it seems regular Joes – average fans – are hard working folks who are punished by their circumstances when it comes to attempts to enjoy their local team. Sports Illustrated NFL writer Peter King even goes so far as to say that Detroit’s “tragic unemployment” has earned a relaxing of the blackout standard – albeit a temporary one.

Bleacher Fan is right, though. The truth behind this blackout rule is that the NFL cares a GREAT deal about its perception (ask Mike Vick), and a fan filled stadium is the strong preference of the league and the owners. Truthfully, an empty, quiet stadium looks terrible on television. It starts to create a negative perception of a team – and by extension, the league. Sell outs are important (and dangerous to refs in Cleveland).

Bleacher Fan makes an excellent point that Cleveland is the second poorest city in America (to Detroit, the focus of Peter King’s proposal). However, the Browns still sell games out, and still fill up the stadium (having that home Steelers game near the end of the season helps, too).

Since Bleacher Fan introduced Cleveland as an example… the fans must demonstrate they care for their team or they risk losing them. The Browns still sell out in part because the fans were starved for football in Cleveland during the Browns’ absence. The Browns (named after that Paul Brown fella) are important to the history of football, and local love is vital. Cleveland fans know that if they want to enjoy the luxury and privilege of having an NFL franchise in their backyard they must support it. And so they do.

No one has a RIGHT to watch an NFL game. Additionally, fans have myriad ways to view games now, and the NFL must be even more protective of its product. The value of the NFL, even on television, starts with, as Bleacher Fan says, “butts in seats.” If fewer butts occupy those seats, more teams will move. And, I hear London is looking.

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The Best High School Football State Debate – It Comes Down To State-Wide Depth

September 4, 2009

Read the debate intro, Bleacher Fan’s argument that Ohio has the best high school football and Loyal Homer’s argument that Georgia has the best high school football.



Fantastic debate from Bleacher Fan and Loyal Homer. This debate will be a series, where, over time, we will research and compare various state’s high school football and eventual declare a supreme ruler.

In this case, both states have a long and storied high school football history. Bleacher Fan did a marvelous job explaining Ohio’s high school football tradition in the sport’s birthplace. There is a reason, for example, Ohio was the 2009 host of an international high school football tournament. Bleacher Fan correctly highlighted the importance of Paul Brown and his Ohio roots. Folks, there is no greater influence on the game of football – at any level, in any era – than Paul Brown. The man was a wizard with vision matched only by his ability to implement his beliefs. The legacy of his offense alone has been the muse of Heisman winners, Super Bowl winners, and Friday night champions.

Loyal Homer correctly highlights the extreme passion for high school football in the state of Georgia. The quality of talent is also an excellent supporting point from the successful head coach of North Gwinnett’s team. The willingness for major national media outlets to focus in on one intra-county rivalry game in the state of Georgia is also impressive and telling.

While tradition and passion are vital for maintaining enthusiasm for high school football, neither state has an edge over the other. Additionally, both states have consistently produced top programs, though few national champions in recent years. They each are also responsible for being the proving ground for elite athletes that continue their careers in football at the upper levels of the sport.

For this debate, the overriding factor is state-wide depth.

While quality and depth of football in Ohio and Georgia is remarkable, Loyal Homer highlights throughout the article that Georgia has the largest concentration of consistently powerful programs in a single region. Ohio’s power schools, however, are distributed throughout the entire state, in suburban, urban, and even remote areas. Across all divisions, landscapes, and demographics, judging from the two arguments, it seems Ohio has more depth throughout the state. Therefore, the debate win goes to Bleacher Fan.

It is certainly possible for these two states to switch positions in the future. The already profound passion and booster support for Georgia football is gaining additional strength every year. Passion-fueled support is vital for continued growth. Passion counts for a lot, especially in high school football.

I think there is an opportunity to encourage the organizers of high school football in each state to create a tournament where the top programs in one state play the top programs in another state. The comparisons between high school football in each state are destined to continue. While the speculation is fun to engage in, organizing high school football into state versus state competition is good for the growth of the sport, a challenge for high school football players, and an opportunity for fans to expand their pride from their town or region to their state. Also, the football would be excellent and each state’s largest venues would sell a lot of tickets. I know I would very much enjoy watching Valdosta play Massillon, Lowndes play St. Ignatius, Parkview play Moeller, and Northside play Pickerington.

I hope the debate was informative and interesting. Throughout the duration of the series we hope to highlight the value and tradition of high school football in America – a true community pastime.

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The Best High School Football State Debate – Ohio Is The Best

September 3, 2009

Read the debate intro and Loyal Homer’s argument that Georgia has better high school football than Ohio.

There are some places on earth that are special. It is hard to explain, but as you stand in those places you get a sense that you are now a part of something that transcends the ordinary.

It is the difference between looking at the ceiling of a church in Scranton, PA, and looking at the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Both serve the same purpose, but the magnitude and beauty of the Sistine Chapel creates an indescribable sense of awe and emotion that resonates at your core. It is unparalleled in its splendor and cannot be equaled, no matter how often it is duplicated!

A trip to Napa Valley simply cannot compare to a tour of the Chianti region of Tuscany, and there is no place on earth where buffalo wings are better than the Anchor Bar in Buffalo!

The products of wine and wings are examples of what can be found around the world that just cannot compete with the quality (from experience) of the original. When speaking of high school football, there is no better place to be than at the game’s birthplace – Ohio!

History

Football, as we know it today, was born in Ohio. Much of the credit for the creation of the game we watch on Fridays, Saturdays, AND Sundays is owed to Paul Brown. He is universally recognized as the pioneer who modernized football, a process that began at Massillon Washington High School in Massillon, Ohio.

“What many people don’t realize,” said John Wolf, writer for MassillonProud.com, “is that Paul Brown didn’t just revolutionize the GAME of football, he actually created the entire spectacular [game] that is the football we know today.”

According to Wolf, Brown realized that a football game was intended to be entertainment for the fans. To help create that atmosphere of entertainment, Brown contacted Swing Band director George (Red) Bird, and together they formed the Massillon Tiger Swing Band, calling it, “The greatest show in high school football.” The band became the first ever marching band to support a football team.

Even the West Coast offense has its roots in Massillon. Bill Walsh, who was an assistant under Paul Brown in Cincinnati, perfected strategies learned from Brown that were first used to help him beat teams like the Steubenville Big Red – one of the first high school powerhouses in the state.

“Just about every aspect of the football game today was affected by Paul Brown,” said Wolf.

So remember, Georgia high school football fans, that when you are watching your favorite schools, bands, and all of their “traditions” you are ACTUALLY enjoying an Ohio tradition, and paying homage to Paul Brown and Ohio football!

Civic Pride

From the towns of Mogadore and Pickerington, to the major cities of Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus, high school football success means much more than simple bragging rights. The “legendary” Massillon-Canton McKinley rivalry is the perfect example. According to Wolf, the 117-year-old rivalry (which has been covered by Sports Illustrated and featured in Ken Carlson’s documentary film “Go Tigers!”) actually began as a dispute over which town should be named county seat. The bitter rivalry stemmed from a deep sense of civic pride by the residents in both cities, and it spilled out onto the football field. The greatest rivalry in high school football is merely a by-product of a much deeper running conflict that reflects the value and pride Ohio cities have for their teams.

JJ Huddle, the founder of JJ’s Huddle.com, adds that Ohio is unique because the size of the program has no bearing on the level of passion shared by the fans in towns both large and small.

“Passion for Division I schools exists at exactly the same level as the passion for Division VI schools,” JJ said. “The special thing that runs towards the little towns is that little Johnny who delivers your pizza is who you are cheering on the field. You aren’t just cheering for a school or a team, you are cheering for family and neighbors.”

It is a special camaraderie among every single community in the state that makes football a year-round sport.

“For 365 days a year, football is KING!” added JJ “If you need further proof of that passion, attend a Cincinnati Elder-Cincinnati St. Xavier game, which is played in front of more than 10,000 fans annually. Or visit Massillon on any given Friday night where the Tigers play in front of a WEEKLY crowd of more than 9,000 fans. For the Massillon-McKinley game, attendance has been as high as 32,000 fans (that is more than many COLLEGES), and averages between 15,000 and 20,000 fans! As a side note, the Massillon/McKinley game is also the only high school game that Vegas will accept wagers on!

The Programs

From the invention of the game to today, Ohio has consistently fielded some of the best high school football teams in the nation.

The predominant region for high school football in the early to mid-1900s was Northeast Ohio. Schools like Massillon, Canton McKinley, and Steubenville were perennial state champions. That was also the time when Massillon, under head coach Paul Brown, first gained recognition on their way to NINE national football championships (a number still unmatched by any other school in the nation… so much for “Titletown!”).

According to Ryan Ernst, sports writer for the Cincinnati Enquirer, fans in Cincinnati will argue there were just as many dominant high school teams in their city as there were in Massillon, many of whom would have beaten those Massillon teams if they played each other. Beginning in 1972, they got their chance!

The Ohio High School Athletic Association (OHSAA) implemented a new playoff system that established a tournament for the best teams in the state to face off at the end of the season to declare a state champion. It was at that time that Cincinnati officially moved to the head of the class in high school football in the United States.

Once the playoff system was established, Cincinnati Moeller became the new team to beat. Unfortunately for other schools in the country, and as Ernst readily points out, Moeller was “unbeatable.” Between 1975 and 1985, Cincinnati Moeller won seven state championships, and was awarded five national championships. Cincinnati had become the new hotbed for high school football talent.

Following the dominance of Moeller in the 1970s and 1980s, a new era in high school football began, and it belonged to Cleveland St. Ignatius. Beginning in 1988, Ignatius would go on to win seven state championships over the next eight years, and was recognized as national champions three times during that same period.

What about the programs today?

While teams from Florida, California, and Texas have begun showing up more frequently in national championship conversations over the last 15 years, Ohio still maintains a very strong presence. Since the “Ignatius” years (ending in 1995), Ohio schools have still gone on to claim national championships in 1997 (Canton McKinley), and in 2007 (Cincinnati St. Xavier). In comparison, the last time a school from Georgia was named the national champions was in 1992.

Talent

With all of the great programs in Ohio, and all the history, there is OBVIOUSLY a great amount of talent that also comes from the state.

If you want to talk about the greatest to ever play the game of football, you need look no further than the Professional Football Hall of Fame (which is housed at Canton McKinley High School in Canton, Ohio, by the way) to see the litany of football LEGENDS from the Buckeye state. Of the 254 inductees in the hall, 22 are from the state of Ohio. The names on that list include coaches Paul Brown, Don Shula, and Chuck Noll, and players such as Roger Staubach, Paul Warfield, Larry Csonka, and Lou Groza. How many hall of famers hail from the Peach State? Only seven.

While the state of Georgia over the past 10 seasons may have a very slight edge over the state of Ohio in terms of the number of high school players which go on to the NFL (281 players from Georgia, compared to 231 from Ohio), history has proven that the quantity from Georgia clearly does not match the quality from Ohio!

I guess JJ Huddle summarized the argument best with the following statement: “The big five states that people talk about for high school football are Ohio, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, and California.” As for Georgia, JJ said, “Georgia is good, but not in the top five.”

Ohio has a rich high school football history, is home to the most dominant football programs of multiple eras, and continues to produce some of the finest talent that the game of football has ever seen. I can’t argue with JJ!

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The Most Hated Person of All Time Debate – An Ode To Art Modell… Let Me Count The Ways!

August 7, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument about George Steinbrenner, and Loyal Homer’s argument that Barry Bonds is the most hated person in sports of all time.

They say that Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

Well, if Nero were alive today, I know where you would find him. He’d be eating a hot dog in the owner’s box at M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore, proudly smiling as he sat alongside his prized pupil, Art Modell.

Art Modell is the most hated man in sports of all-time. End of story. The road of his legacy is littered with the remains of one of the greatest football teams in the history of the game. Piece by piece, Modell set upon a path of self-serving greed and egotism that single-handedly resulted in the dismantling of legends. With no direct ties to the city he would eventually destroy, he swept in like a plague of locusts, feeding off of the hopes, dreams, and expendable income of a hard-working, blue-collar city. And when the last drop of blood was sucked dry and he could take no more from that city, he left. There was no remorse, no pity, and no consolation for those left behind.

A New York businessman by trade, Modell became owner of the Cleveland Browns in 1961, having purchased the team for $4 million.

This was no ordinary team he had just purchased, though. The Cleveland Browns were THE team to beat when this transaction took place. The Browns, coached by Paul Brown and led by Hall of Fame players like Otto Graham, Jim Brown, Marion Motley, Lou Groza, and Dante Lavelli, were perennial championship contenders. In fact, during the 1950s, the Browns won conference championships in 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, and 1957, and won league championships in 1950, 1954, and 1955. To this day, no football franchise has even come close to that level of domination for such an extended period.

Cleveland was also considered the adopted home of professional football. With the Professional Football Hall of Fame now residing in nearby Canton, many people accept Cleveland as the symbolic birthplace for the game.

The point that I am trying to make is that Art Modell was basically being given the keys to the entire kingdom of football. That, however, wasn’t good enough for Art.

Applying his business mentality to the game of football, Modell immediately set about plans to make sure that the Browns operated “HIS” way. HE was the owner, HE was the boss, and he didn’t care what worked before. It was HIS team now, and what HE said was gospel!

Well, after two seasons of not making the postseason, Modell felt that it was time for a change, so he fired head coach Paul Brown.

I’m going to let that sink in for a moment.

Paul Brown, the father of the modern offense, one of the founders of the team (the team was even NAMED after him for pete’s sake!), a championship coach for the Massillon Tigers, The Ohio State Buckeyes, and the Browns, was fired because he didn’t make the playoffs for two years.

What did he know, anyway, right? He was just a dumb coach… Modell was the REAL brains of the operation!

As if firing the greatest coach of all time wasn’t a big enough jewel for the crown of King Modell, 3 years later he would become responsible for the early departure of the greatest player of all time. That’s right, after firing Paul Brown, Art Modell is the reason that Jim Brown quit the game.

Rather than permit Jim Brown, many of whose accomplishments on the field still have not been repeated, to report late to training camp, Modell threatened to suspend the greatest player of all time without pay. In response, Brown, who believed that being a professional football player would not be a life-long career anyway, retired from the game.

I (and the many passionate fans like me who bleed orange and brown) wish that I could tell you the story ended there. Sadly, I must go on.

You see, after winning the NFL championship on the heels of Jim Brown’s dominance in 1964, Art Modell’s guidance and involvement in the operations of the Cleveland Browns was so great that the Browns never won another championship game. That’s right, a team that couldn’t be beaten PRE-Modell has been in a 45 year dead-drop POST-Modell involvement. He did such a good job with his involvement that the team which couldn’t lose became a team which couldn’t win.

And after putting the city of Cleveland through more than 30 years of turmoil, grief, and agony, Art Modell decided that he had enough, so he just packed up his things and took the greatest football team in history and moved them out of the city.

In summary, Art Modell fired the greatest coach of all time, forced out the greatest player of all time, and closed down the greatest team of all time. Case closed. Now if you’ll excuse me, I feel nautious.

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