The College Coaches Banning NFL Scouts Debate… Beat It, Scouts!

August 19, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Bleacher Fan.

Whatever happened to the days on innocence in college football? Don’t laugh! It really was a reality not all that long ago. Just ask your dad and his friends. Obviously, it’d be too simplistic to put all of the blame on agents. But they do deserve much of the blame. You know who else deserve some of the blame? Scouts! Coaches have every right to ban those scouts from their practices. He’s trying to protect his program.

Nick Saban has been the face of the “Ban The Scouts” campaign and he has been very outspoken about it. He promised last month at SEC Media Days in his discussion about “pimps” that he may take action against scouts. True to his word he has done just that. They are no longer welcome at Crimson Tide practice until further notice. He has since softened a little bit, saying scouts could return to practice on August 25th at a pre-determined time. It’s unfortunate that it came to that, but who can blame the coaches?

Having anyone associated with their players, even innocent bystanders such as scouts, opens up a Pandora’s box of potential issues. I’m well aware of the fact that scouts are there to do their jobs, take notes, and click their stopwatches. But I’m of the opinion that they could be distractions, even if they have noble intentions.

Suppose the players notice that scouts from the NFL are in attendance. Would that make them practice any different? Would they press more? Would they tense up? Would it limit the chances of an effective practice? These are all questions that college coaches really don’t have to answer. If I’m a coach and I see a scout watching practice, you know what I tell the scout? I say, “Don’t take this personally, but if you want to know what kind of player he is, we’ve got a game every Saturday in the Fall. I’ll be glad to talk to you in the Spring at the scouting combine. In the meantime, there’s the interstate right over there. It’ll lead you right out of town.”

Fair or not, one bad seed has ruined the whole apple, where the bad seed is the agents. Agents are professionals, scouts are professionals, and that’s what worries coaches like Nick Saban. It’s a classic case of “guilt by association.” Saban said it correctly, “Agents are screwing
it up.” Look at it from the point of view from a coach. Maybe these scouts have relationships with the agents. These coaches don’t know these scouts personally. Why should they be trusted? If you give an inch, the next thing you know, your players will be taking their talents to South Beach to an agent-hosted party.

It’s a sad state of affairs. I respect that scouts have a job to do. But in light of the rash of agents hovering around players, coaches have no choice but to protect the amateur eligibility of the student-athletes. That’s the nature of the beast that is college football.

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The NFL Training Camp Hottest Coaching Seat Debate… Sunshine Burning Out For Del Rio

July 26, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Sports Geek and Bleacher Fan.

Some seats are definitely warm, and it’s not due to the blistering heat we’ve experienced this summer. It’s due to the fire being brought forth to head coaches in the NFL by fans and owners. Winning is expected and, quite frankly, demanded RIGHT NOW! No more signs of progress followed by steps back. No more trips to the playoffs followed by years of mediocrity. That’s essentially what’s happened down in Jacksonville with the Jaguars, and that’s why Jack Del Rio is feeling heat.

I had an opportunity to briefly meet Jack Del Rio during his first season in Jacksonville. I was a senior at Valdosta State University in Valdosta, Georgia and the school’s mass media department had a contract with CBS Sports to send students to work as assistants on the crew from Jaguar home games. I took advantage of having a “CBS Sports credential” and had a brief 30-second encounter with Del Rio. It was still early in the season, but you could sense things slowly turning around down in Jacksonville. It’s a really, and I mean, REALLY, small market for the NFL, and it’s extremely difficult to get fans excited about the Jaguars. But, due in part to Del Rio and in part to then-rookie Byron Leftwich (come back later this week for more on Leftwich), you could sense a little excitement around Jaguar land.

After that rookie season the Jaguars would go on to post four consecutive non-losing seasons, including playoff berths in 2005 and 2007. The team was often labeled as that team that “no one wanted to play come January.” Despite that label, they are 1-2 under Del Rio in the playoffs. With minimal success, the Jaguars have taken a step back.

With a combined 12-20 the past two seasons support in Jacksonville has been downright terrible. Agents get more support from Nick Saban than the Jaguars get from the citizens of Duval County. Amazingly, only ONE game was not blacked out locally last season. One game! That’s amazing to me! And that is due in large part to Peyton Manning and Co. being in town for that game. If you read our debate on blackout rules last year you know how they work. In case you didn’t, home games are blacked out in the home market if the game isn’t sold out within usually 72 hours (and sometimes 48 hours) of kickoff. All that means is that fans are not coming to Jacksonville Municipal Stadium and that fans are not getting to see the Jaguars on TV. Such little interest in the organization led to fodder that the franchise may even give a fly at taking Tim Tebow in the draft in order to attract interest. That never materialized, but you can bet it would have sold tickets!

The bottom line is to win games, and that’s the only thing Jack Del Rio can try and control. That’s what he has to do to keep his job. Conflicting reports had Del Rio being offered the USC job in the off-season did nothing to buy him any job security or a better contract. He still has to win. If he doesn’t, he’ll be looking for another beach to enjoy during the off-season!

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The Revisionist History Debate… The Decision Has Been Made so Stick With It!

May 18, 2010

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As a sports fan I get quite disgusted with repeated occurrences of hearing about how athletes, either knowingly or unknowingly, took performance-enhancing drugs. It doesn’t matter what sport it’s in. Recently, Texans linebacker Brian Cushing was suspended four games after testing positive for hCG. That falls in line with the rules set by the NFL. I’m perfectly fine with that punishment, obviously. However, when talk began to center around the possibility of taking a revote for Defensive Rookie of the Year, I cringed and shook my head. Thankfully, in the revote, the voters chose not to change their earlier decision. Also, the fact they decided to revote totally opens up a can of worms and sets a disturbing precedent.

Obviously, no one is condoning the fact that Cushing violated the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy. But I have questions about how all of this came out. Cushing supposedly tested positive back in September. What month are we in now? May?! Why are we just finding out about this now? Why weren’t the voters even told about this when they originally voted? Does it take that long to find out the results? It does not! The original voting of this award was done shortly after the end of the regular season in January. How realistic is it to overturn an award given four months ago?

Flash back to 2002. Then Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers won the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. This was despite Peppers violating the league’s drug policy. It turns out he took a banned dietary supplement. What he took is beside the point. If it was okay then, why shouldn’t it be ok now? That’s what voter John McClain of the Houston Chronicle based his vote on. He said, “In good conscience, I couldn’t NOT vote for him after voting for Julius Peppers in 2002 knowing he’s tested positive.”

In addition, a Pandora’s box of problems is opened up if you revisit history and change the chartered course set some four months earlier. If this revote had overturned the previous decision, the NFL would have set a precedent not only for its own sport, but for other sports as well. What if other award winners test positive at some point in the future? Maybe he was juiced up during his award winning season. How do you determine if that was the case? To avoid any future problems, the AP should have just stuck with its original vote and left it at that. It just wouldn’t be worth the headache that it would have caused if the award had been rescinded.

The decision has been made. The people, or in this case, the voters, had already spoken! Stick with it!
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The 2010 NFL Draft QB Success Debate… Number One Pick For A Reason

May 7, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Bleacher Fan and Babe Ruthless.

It’s going to be interesting to see how history looks back on the quarterback class of the 2010 NFL Draft. Obviously, the big four (Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen, and Tim Tebow) will be heavily scrutinized. Amazingly, despite being temporarily slotted in as a third string quarterback, Tebow posted the hottest selling jersey in the NFL in April. But he isn’t going to be the best quarterback of this class. None of the writers at The Sports Debates beileve that. When all is said and done, Sam Bradford will be the best quarterback of the class of 2010.

With all the fuss about how far Clausen dropped and how Tebow was picked a little early, people tend to forget about Bradford. At least that is the impression I have. And that would be a huge mistake.

Like Tebow, Bradford was a winner in college. Not to the extent that Tebow was, as Bradford’s Sooners never got over that hump. But, in two full seasons as a starter (2007 and 2008), Bradford was 23-5. Obviously, we know he won the Heisman Trophy in 2008 with gaudy passing numbers. And he was surrounded by talent on his Sooner teams.

It’s going to be interesting to see his transition from a spread offense to a pro-style offense. He appears to be a smart guy, though, and early indications are that he isn’t afraid to take control of the huddle. At Rams rookie minicamp last week Bradford took charge of the offense with relative ease, and that is something coach Steve Spagnuolo was looking for rather intently.

Despite his injury-plagued 2009 campaign in Norman, I’m still convinced this guy has the strongest arm. At this pro day back in March, he showed off his accuracy, completing an amazing 62 of 63 passes, which had all the pro scouts in attendance drooling. That type of accuracy is what separates him from the rest, and it’s what got him to the position of being the number one pick. Many have compared Bradford to legendary Cowboy quarterback Troy Aikman. They both actually have Oklahoma roots. That isn’t bad company, is it Sam?

There is one thing that Bradford can claim without much question, and that is the fact that he plays on the worst team. Bleacher Fan may disagree, but the Rams are much worse than the Browns, and obviously are worse than the Panthers and Broncos. The Rams are terrible. Awful. An embarrassment of Detroit Lions proportions. Last season’s number one pick, Matthew Stafford, had to deal with the same situation when he was drafted by the Lions. It’s going to be tough on Bradford, just as it was on Stafford. But at least he had Calvin Johnson to throw to. Bradford doesn’t even have that. However, expect Bradford to eventually move the Rams on up. He may experience growing pains early on, but when we look back on this class in 20 years, we’ll all agree that Sam Bradford was the best of the bunch.

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The New NFL Draft Format Debate… A Change For the Worse

April 20, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Sports Geek.

You have been hearing about the NFL Draft for months now. You’ve been reading scouting reports, the needs of each team, mock drafts, and even debates about mock drafts. You are curious to see where the players from your favorite college team will be drafted. Now, it’s time to get ready for a time honored ESPN tradition, and watch hours of coverage on Saturday and Sunday. What? Come again? The draft starts on Thursday? You cannot be serious? What was wrong with the way it was?

I realize that Thursday night isn’t exactly “Must-See-TV” like it was during its peak run in the mid 1990s, and there really won’t be much on TV except for an NBA playoff game. But the point of my argument is that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the old format of the draft. That was my initial reaction when this change was announced several months ago, and my mind hasn’t changed.

Now, I think I know what Sports Geek is going to write in the opposing side of the debate. The point will be made that more eyes will be watching in prime time on Thursday night. That, in itself, remains to be seen. Personally, I loved having the first round of the draft take place on Saturday (even when it began starting a little later a couple of years ago) because, generally speaking, I had nothing to do on Saturday. I’m not one of those guys who has a big draft day party barbecue. But I certainly do sit my behind on the couch and watch the draft, as I would have nothing else to focus on. That’s a good thing because the draft tends to drag on and on, with the first round usually lasting around five hours.

On Thursday night, I will still watch some of the draft. But it’s going to be hard for me to focus my entire attention on the draft, and it’s doubtful I will be awake for the pick number 32. I personally don’t have kids, but those that have children will be tending to the weekday activities with their children, whether it is helping mini-Sports Geek with his homework or reading Lil’ Bleacher Fan-ette her bedtime story… or something of the like. This tends to not be an issue on a Saturday.

Also, at what point does the draft begin to become overkill, not only the fans, but for the teams as well? Many are saying that the new format will give teams more time to reassess the needs of their team after the first day, and after the second day. Haven’t these needs been assessed in the previous months? Many hours have been spent scouting and identifying targeted players. Is the extra time really going to help? No! All it is going to be is bring self-doubt into the picture, and bring in a large portion of over-analysis to an event that already borders on overkill.

Besides, who really wants to listen to Mel Kiper, Jr. for three days?

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The Mock Draft Value Debate… A Complete Waste of Time

April 13, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Babe Ruthless.

There are some things in life that are a complete waste of time. Sitting in a doctor’s office for hours. Being on hold with a customer service representative. Going to a school board meeting and waiting for big news while the members discussed personnel issues in executive session, only to find out two hours later that they have decided to table the discussion until a later date (this happened to me last night). All of these things are a complete waste of time. But nothing absolutely kills the value of my life more than reading the ENDLESS and USELESS supply of mock drafts out there.

Here’s a perfect example.

One of the Web sites that I visit regularly is the Atlanta-Journal Constitution’s Web site. Over the course of the past two months the Atlanta Falcons’ beat writer, D. Orlando Ledbetter, has provided a mock draft on a weekly basis. I always give it a quick run through, but have never read it in-depth until preparing for this argument. In his mock draft on April 2, appropriately titled Mock Draft 6.0, Ledbetter projected that, among other things, Tim Tebow would be drafted ninth by the Buffalo Bills. Hmmm, I found that interesting at the time. But a week later, in Mock Draft 7.0, he projected that Tebow was not going to be drafted in the first round. He was listed under the “On the Fringe” label. Had Tebow really fallen that far in a week’s time? Maybe he never should have been that high? What did or didn’t he do to take such a nosedive? Heck, perhaps Ledbetter read my argument about Tim Tebow from a couple of weeks ago and was convinced that Tebow is not going to be a good NFL quarterback. Who knows! These are all questions that no one can legitimately answer.

Go to any sports Web site and you are going to find an abundance of “speculative” information. This includes a countless array of mock drafts. I dare you to find two mock drafts out there that are EXACTLY the same. Go ahead. I double dare you!!! If I published my own mock draft, would you read it? You may if you are a frequent visitor (which we hope you are!). But you might not believe a word of it. Why should my version be any better than the other guy’s? Why is it any worse for that matter? It sure isn’t an exact science. It is not even close to Bracketology.

Mock drafts do not take into account that trades may actually happen on draft day. What if St. Louis decides to trade the number one pick to a team that wants to trade up and draft Ndamukong Suh? That has a major trickle down effect because Detroit, with the second pick, is obviously not going to draft Sam Bradford because they already have a young quarterback in Matthew Stafford. What does Detroit do then? Do they trade the pick? Do they take Gerald McCoy? Who knows! It’s a crap shoot!

We all like to read various articles throughout the day to help pass the time at work. You know you have probably read a mock draft from Todd McShay or Mel Kiper, Jr. at some point. I know I have. But that does not mean I believe there is value to a mock draft. I may read about Jesse James’s last fling in The National Enquirer while waiting in line at Wal-Mart, but that doesn’t mean I believe there is value.

Let it be said that this debate is my official mockery of mock drafts!!!

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The 2010 Most Surprising NFL Move (So Far) Debate – Baltimore Em-Boldin-s Its Offense

March 8, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Sports Geek and Babe Ruthless.

At first glance, I thought the Arizona Cardinals made a big mistake trading Anquan Boldin. Obviously, we all know about the issues regarding Boldin and his trade demands. But the Cardinals were already going through drastic changes this offseason with the retirement of Kurt Warner. Losing a big playmaker in Boldin will hurt.

With a closer look, however, I have changed my opinion. The Cardinals won some big games without Boldin the past couple of seasons as he has battled injuries. Plus, Arizona has Steve Breaston and Early Doucet ready to step up to that number two receiver in the slot with Larry Fitzgerald outside. But instead of focusing on the Cardinals, I am choosing to focus on the Ravens and what a good move this is for 2010.

Baltimore has been one of the better teams in the AFC the past two seasons. In 2010 the team shocked us all by going up to Foxboro and whipping the favored Patriots 33-14 in the first round of the playoffs. Baltimore hit a brick wall against the Colts in the divisional round, and that is when what we all sort of realized about the Ravens’ offense came starkly into focus – their offense struggles at times, especially in the passing game. The acquisition of Boldin should help, and quarterback Joe Flacco has to be happy with the move. Running back Ray Rice led the team in catches last season. Taking nothing away from Rice, who had a breakout season for the Ravens in 2010, that is not going to take a team to the next level as a team.

Looking at the receivers currently on the depth chart, you would have to list Boldin as the number one receiver. Yes, the Ravens signed Donte Stallworth, but even if we knew how good he would be after a year off, he still would not be the main threat in the passing game. We are not sure what is going to happen with longtime Ravens wide receiver Derrick Mason. He still could be re-signed, but the Ravens supposedly are not considering it a priority to do so. Either way, Boldin is now the man in a new city, coming off a season where he had 84 catches for 1,024 yards.

Boldin, who is a three-time Pro Bowler, also comes out smelling like a rose. He succeeds in his demand to be traded and even gets traded to a Super Bowl contender. He also gets a new contract out of the deal, signing a four year, $28M contract with $10M guaranteed. He is a physical receiver who should fit in well with the physical style of play the Ravens use. His ability to block will be a huge asset to the team, as that is a part of his game that is overlooked in a pass-happy offense like Arizona’s.

The rest of the AFC better look out. The Ravens just got even better!

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The Is Kurt Warner a Hall of Famer Debate – Warner Is Not Canton Bound Just Yet

January 19, 2010

Read the debate intro and the opposing argument from Sports Geek that Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner is a hall of famer.



Let me first say that I am a big Kurt Warner supporter. I, like much of the country, became enamored with him back in 1999 when the St. Louis Rams made that magical run all the way to Super Bowl XXXIV, which goes down as one of the better Super Bowls in my lifetime. I think his rags to riches story reeks of a Hollywood movie. He comes across as generally a nice guy, and I can appreciate that. But whether or not he has established himself as a hall of fame quarterback is at the core of today’s debate. I have believe that he is not a lock for the hall of fame. (Side note: Bleacher Fan has been several times, and tells us it should be on our “Bucket List” of places to go).

That season with the Rams, in 1999, was Warner’s first real playing time with an NFL franchise. He had previously dominated NFL Europe. But in 1999, with starter Trent Green tearing his ACL in preseason, the show became Kurt’s to run, and that’s exactly what he did. He turned the Rams into The Greatest Show on Turf. He continued to put up monster individual numbers in 2000 and 2001, and would have won another Super Bowl in 2001 if not for a kicker named Adam Vinatieri.

That is where it went down hill… for a little while at least.

Warner began experiencing problems with fumbling and poor overall decisions with the football. He threw 11 interceptions in only six starts in 2002 due to a broken finger on his throwing hand. In the season opener in 2003, he fumbled a whopping SIX times. He was benched by head coach Mike Martz and replaced by Marc Bulger. He never started another game for the Rams.

After that, he signed with the New York Giants and started for half the season before giving way to heralded rookie Eli Manning. There was no way he was going to be a starter for long in the Meadowlands. Like he would find out later in Arizona, he was expected to groom a young hot shot coming out of college, and that did not really turn out well either time.

His time in Arizona did not start out so well, either. He split time with Josh McCown, of all people, in 2005. The Cardinals then drafted Matt Leinart, and Warner was expected to take a back seat. But due to injuries and ineffectiveness, Leinart was never able to keep a firm grip on the starting job.

Warner has since posted back-to-back playoff seasons in Arizona, suffering yet another heartbreaking Super Bowl loss last season.

Looking at his career numbers, it is fair to question whether or not Kurt Warner belongs in the Hall of Fame. He, after all, did not become a starter in the NFL until he was 28-years-old. He has played 12 years in the league, and in only six of those years did he throw for more than 11 touchdowns. His good years were actually great. But he has not been consistent enough to make it to Canton, Ohio. The other years proved that. And after the big hit he took Saturday, I am not sure he will step out on the field next season.

The hall of fame is supposed to be reserved for the game’s greats. Does six great years reserve a spot for a player alongside the game’s all time greats? I don’t think so!

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The Best Game of THIS Weekend Debate – A Key December Matchup in the Sunshine State

December 11, 2009

Read the arguments from Bleacher Fan and Sports Geek.



We are at the point in the NFL season now where every game is critical for those who want to be playing in the playoffs. Last night was an absolute must-win for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but the team laid a serious egg and lost to the hapless Cleveland Browns, which – trust me – absolutely made Bleacher Fan’s night. At 6-7, the Steelers have essentially been eliminated for playoff contention. Another must win game, for both teams really, takes place down in Jacksonville this weekend as the Miami Dolphins come to town to take on the Jacksonville Jaguars in a game with HUGE playoff implications.

The Dolphins are coming off a thrilling come from behind win over the New England Patriots last weekend and now are not only in contention for the Wild Card at 6-6, but are also just a game back of the Patriots in the AFC East race. Showing how little I know sometimes, I believed the Fish were done when Ronnie Brown was lost for the season a few weeks ago. I thought, “How could a team without Brown and with Bleacher Fan and Sports Geek favorite Chad Henne (sarcasm!) do much of anything?” All the Dolphins have done is rebound from an 0-3 start. Obviously, “the Wildcat” has not been working without Brown. In fact, the Dolphins did not even use the Wildcat last week against the Patriots – coincidentally the team they were playing when using the Wildcat the first time. But who needs that gimmick when Henne is shredding opposing defenses to the tune of 335 yards, as he did in last week’s game against the Patriots?

Meanwhile, the Jaguars are quietly having a solid season and would be in the playoffs if the regular season ended today. Not that anyone in the Jacksonville area has noticed, with an average attendance of 45,500 per game. Yikes! Even this week’s game is blacked out locally. Surprisingly, though, that has not stopped the Jaguars from going 5-1 at home so far this season. The Jags really do not have any stars on the team outside of Maurice Jones-Drew and his 13 touchdowns… and perhaps receiver Mike-Sims Walker, who is one of the best young receivers you have probably never heard of. With a Thursday night game against the Colts and a cold December road trip to New England looming, this game is huge for the Jaguars.

This game is really big for both teams, though. A loss, which would put them at 6-7, likely eliminates the Dolphins from playoff contention. A win, however, improves the Dolphins’ chances and gives the team a key head-to-head tiebreaker over the Jaguars. A win by the Jaguars secures an 8-5 record and, just as importantly, gives the team an impressive 7-2 record against AFC opponents. That conference record plays a huge role when determining playoff teams in a three-way tie.

If you are a resident of northeastern Florida you are not going to get to watch this game. But, to the rest of the country, I advise you to keep an eye on this game. While the teams playing are not the most glamorous teams in the league, they are still good football teams. Everyone loves December football with playoff implications. That is what we get with this game!

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The Two-Back System Debate – Double the Trouble For the Opponent

December 11, 2009

Read the debate intro and the arguments from Bleacher Fan and Babe Ruthless about whether or not a two back system in the right approach for a successful NFL offense.



I am not totally convinced there is a so-called “right” way and “wrong” way to win in the NFL in the regular season. Coaches make decisions based on whatever fits the makeup of the team and whatever fits the personnel. If that means throwing the ball for big yardage like the Colts, Patriots, and Saints do, then that is fine. If that means building the team around the running game, like the Jets and Titans do, then so be it. However, as I stated in the intro, teams must generally be able to have some sort of running game to achieve postseason greatness. That is why we focused this debate on the running game.

It was the job of Babe Ruthless to argue that having a two-back system is the way to go. Living in the Charlotte area, he has seen up close the benefits of having a two-back system with the tandem of DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. Those two guys helped the Panthers win the NFC South last season, and are having another solid season in 2009. The Panthers’ poor season has more to do with quarterback Jake Delhomme. In analyzing the tandem the Giants employed last year Babe Ruthless also proved that teams have to have the right personnel to run a two-back system, writing that Ahmad Bradshaw has not quite lived up to what Derrick Ward was able to do in 2008.

Meanwhile, Bleacher Fan, with a ringing endorsement of the Atkins Diet, wrote that the two-back system was not necessarily the best way. (By the way, to the makers of the Atkins Diet, Mr. Bleacher Fan would love to hear from you about endorsement possibilities.)

Bleacher Fan argues that just because the two-back system is effective does not mean it is the best fit and that it will last, using the Wildcat as a prime example.

I am awarding this victory to Babe Ruthless for arguing the issue at hand. Having a two-back system is more effective because, as Babe wrote, “coaches are able to keep the running backs fresher,” and that definitely helps the later in the season a team gets (assuming the head coach and offensive coordinator manages carries properly). On that point, I also agree with what grbaseball contributed in our comments section yesterday, writing that a team is able to get stronger and better blitz protection in a two-back system, and that the team will also own time of possession. Thanks for the comment Grbaseball!

I also believe a two-back system helps in cases where a team has one of the runners go down with an injury. Frank Gore went down for San Francisco earlier this season and missed a couple of games, and what happened to the team? The 49ers went on a free fall, and it started when Gore was hurt. If Jonathan Stewart were to go down with an injury, I believe the Panthers would be able to still have a strong running game with DeAngelo Williams.

It is important that you have the right personnel in place. But a two-back system is the most efficient and provides the best chance for a team to win consistently.

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