The Sly Stallone Boxing Hall of Fame Debate

December 15, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Loyal Homer and Babe Ruthless.

The International Boxing Hall of Fame has announced its inductee class for 2011.

“Iron” Mike Tyson, Julio Cesar Chavez, Kostya Tszyu, Referee Joe Cortez, and Ignacio “Nacho” Beristain were (and still are) legends during their time in the ring. Each will be entering the hall to join the greatest in boxing history. But they were not the only people named this year.

Joining the newest batch of legends in boxing’s hall will be Sylvester Stallone.

In reality, Sylvester Stallone has the exact same professional boxing record that I do. But on the silver screen, his creation – Rocky Balboa – is among the most recognizable figures in all of boxing. Who amongst us hasn’t imagined ourselves running up the steps at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, or screamed ”Yo, Adriaaaaaaaaan!” at the top of our lungs AT LEAST once in our lives?

But are Hollywood catch-phrases and musical montages enough to warrant induction into the same fraternity as Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Sugar Ray Robinson?

Does Sylvester Stallone deserve induction into the International Boxing Hall of Fame?

There are plenty of reasons why Loyal Homer feels that Stallone should NOT be receiving this honor, while Babe Ruthless feels that the honor is absolutely deserved.

No matter what the verdict, though, John Goodman should not get his hopes up for a similar honor in Cooperstown!

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The Sly Stallone Boxing Hall of Fame Debate… Rocky, Rocky, Rocky!

December 15, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Loyal Homer.

“Yo Adrian, he did it!”

Sylvester Stallone will soon be inducted in the Boxing Hall of Fame (BHOF), and I for one am not surprised. In fact, I think it’s about time that the boxing world finally recognized the man who did more than most world champion boxers to epitomize all the best the sport has to offer.

Rocky Balboa, the title character of the film series both written by and starring Stallone, has become one of if not the most iconic figures not just in boxing but the sports world. Stallone’s undeniable contributions to boxing, through the Rocky movie franchise, span decades and have permanently interwoven him into the sport’s history forever. His exclusion from the Hall would be criminal.

More Than a Movie

The name Rocky Balboa is known the world over. It actually transcends the sport of boxing. It is probably safe to assume that more people know the name Rocky Balboa than do the last 15 heavyweight champs.

Don’t believe me? Ask your friends how many of they can name. If they don’t rattle off David Haye, Vitali Klitschko, Nikolay Valuev, Ruslan Chagaev, Samuel Peter, Wladimir Klitschko, Sultan Ibragimov, Shannon Briggs, Oleg Maskaev, Sergei Liakhovich, Hasim Rahman, Lamon Brewster, John Ruiz, Corrie Sanders, and Roy Jones, Jr., don’t be shocked because they are not exactly household names. I would be shocked if most not diehard fight boxing fans could name more than two (Roy Jones, Jr. being the gimmee).

But it becomes a very different story if you ask them, “Who beat Apollo Creed or Ivan Drago?” because I’m willing to bet they know exactly who accomplished those feats.

For many red blooded American males like myself, the Rocky movies served as our introduction to the sport of boxing. Long before I ever owned a copy of Mike Tyson’s Punchout, worked my first heavy bag, or bought my first pay-per-view fight, I was running up stairs pretending to be the Italian Stallion, Rocky Balboa. Like me, whole generations of sports fans grew up with Rocky as well. While I was saddened when I learned that real boxing matches usually don’t end with a dramatic rope climbing scene (like in Rocky II) the Rocky movies fostered a spark of hope within me – and I’m sure others like me – that would keep them coming back to boxing in hopes of one day seeing a remarkable knockout or dramatic finish like the ones Stallone brought to the screen.

But more importantly than just being a pop culture icon, Sylvester Stallone helped keep the sport alive in a time when boxing needed a hero. With the revolving door of champions failing to fill the “unfillable” shoes of Muhammed Ali, Rocky kept the sport alive. He kept interest up and brought new fans to the sport during a time when its popularity was waning. Stallone’s Rocky was there to carry the torch until another electrifying champion, Mike Tyson, revitalized the sport’s popularity in the mid 1980s.

Rocky was more than just a movie. It was a truly special film. It merged Slyvester Stallone’s identity with that of Rocky Balboa forever. It was a film that’s lasting legacy benefited the sport of boxing immeasurably, and the man responsible for those films has every right to be recognized alongside the greatest in the sport he immortalized.

Yo, Who You Callin’ A Bum?

Some critics mistakenly think that Stallone’s inclusion into the Hall somehow cheapens or disgraces the sport of boxing. This claim is completely ludicrous! Look no further than the rest of this year’s induction class to understand that is not the case.

This year boxing bad boy “Iron” Mike Tyson will join Stallone in receiving the sport’s top honor. While Stallone is far from squeaky clean himself, in comparison with Tyson he comes out smelling like a rose. Tyson, while no doubt a record-breaking undisputed champion, has a legacy marred by high profile screw-ups and controversy. If a convicted rapist who was once disqualified for biting off a portion of his opponent’s ear doesn’t hurt the legacy of the Boxing Hall of Fame, then certainly the inclusion of the Italian Stallion won’t hurt either.

It is not unheard of for sports announcers and broadcaster to be honored by their franchise and hall of fames for contributions to their respective sports, and Stallone’s impact on boxing can be characterized as having eclipsed that of others in the aforementioned professions. So why deny him this honor by the BHOF?

Although, I’m sure plenty of Rocky fans probably supported the decision to put Stallone in the hall it is important to remember that this decision was not made by the fans. Instead this was a heavily weighed decision made by the Boxing Writers Association of America. They had every right to exclude him if they thought he truly didn’t belong, but they didn’t. They recognized that Stallone belongs, and so should we.

As I square off against toe to toe against Loyal Homer in the ring of intellectual debate, it won’t be pretty. Like Clubber Lang, my prediction for this fight is PAIN. And though Loyal Homer and I may be friends, I’ll hold nothing back because in the words of Ivan Drago, “I must break you!”

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The Boxing Schedule Debate – Haye Backed Out, It’s Not Klitschko’s Fault!

June 23, 2009

Read the debate intro and Sports Geek’s opinion.



Loyal Homer admittedly is not a huge boxing fan. Back in the mid 1990’s and earlier this decade, I sure was. Heck, part of the reason I made my parents subscribe to HBO (in pre-Sopranos days) was so I could watch heavyweight boxing matches when they were not on Pay Per View. Weren’t those Holyfield-Tyson fights great, especially the second one? Don’t you remember having to see Al Bernstein on ESPN every time a big fight was approaching? Since Tyson hung the gloves up, and, to a lesser extent, since Lennox Lewis retired, boxing hasn’t had the same “bite” (pun intended).

In the past couple of months, hype was beginning to build for the Wladamir Klitschko-David Haye fight. Klitschko, unbeknownst to many casual fans, is the IBF and WBO heavyweight champion of the world. David Haye, a newcomer to the heavyweight division, was an upcoming hot-shot who had electrified the boxing world as a Cruiserweight. The fight was to be held in Germany in front of a capacity crowd. (Remember when big fights were held in Las Vegas and Atlantic City?… a debate for another day.)

Due to Haye’s injury the fight never happened. Haye requested the fight be postponed for three weeks, but Klitschko refused, instead scheduling a seemingly less exciting opponent.

And you know what? I don’t blame Klitschko. He was absolutely correct in doing so and had every right to do it.

This Klitschko-Haye fight had been planned for months. Both fighters had been training heavily for some time. I hate the fact that Haye injured himself. It could have been a heck of a fight and one I hope eventually happens. But why should Klitschko have to adjust his schedule? He has nothing to gain. Yes, he would have had a better opponent, but his training regiment was built around fighting on June 20, not July 11.

Say Klitschko injures himself on June 27 after agreeing to postpone the fight the requested three weeks. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that an injury could have occurred? As I stated, he was training himself to peak on June 20. By postponing the fight, he would have had to adjust his regime and who knows how his body would have reacted.

And I have yet mention the logistical problems. I’m sure plans could have been made to have the fight when Haye wanted it to, but plans were already made for the June 20 fight. Tickets were sold, arrangements made, etc. So, they might as well go ahead and have a fight!

I truly hope the Klitschko-Haye fight happens eventually. It could be the spark the sport needs right now. But, in no way do I fault Wladamir Klitchsko for going ahead and fighting another opponent on the planned fight day!


The Boxing Schedule Debate – To Be the Best, You’ve Gotta BEAT the Best… So if You ARE the Best, Does it Matter Who You Fight?

June 23, 2009

Read Loyal Homer and Sports Geek’s opinions.



In boxing’s heavyweight division, Wladimir Klitschko (53-3-0, 47KO) is the best. He’s ranked at the top by Ring Magazine, the IBF and the WBO.

Until recently, Klitschko was scheduled to fight David Haye (22-1-0, 21KO), a very exciting contender out of Great Britain who had no problems in letting the public know his lack of respect for both Wladimir and his brother, Vitali (37-2-0, 36KO) who is also a heavyweight title holder.

This fight could have rejuvenated the sport of boxing. Considered by most fans to be the premier weight class, the heavyweight division has lacked an exciting, fan pleasing champion since the retirement of Lennox Lewis in 2004. Since Lewis’ retirement, the Klitschko’s emerged as the division’s elite fighters, but neither excites crowds the way previous champions like Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, or Lewis were able to. Despite possessing devastating knockout power, the Klitschko’s have established their dominance more through technical superiority than brutality. Unfortunately, boxing fans crave the latter. As a result, the popularity of heavyweight boxing – and subsequently the sport in general – has suffered.

Another drawback in the heavyweight division is that the Klitschko brothers have categorically stated they will never fight each other. That decision leaves no chance of seeing the best fighters within the division step into the ring together until a new and legitimate contender can challenge their dominance. Many fight fans hoped Haye would be the man equal to the Klitschkos’ challenge.

Haye brings a level of excitement (and explosive brutality) to the heavyweight division that has re-energized boxing fans. After completely dominating the Cruiserweight division, the undisputed champion (holding the WBO, WBC, WBA AND Ring Magazine Championship Belts) vacated his titles to step up to heavyweight. Last November, he completely dismantled American Monte Barrett in his heavyweight debut, sending Barrett to the canvas a total of five times. The fight mercifully ended in a fifth round TKO for Haye. Following that fight, Haye got his opportunity when Wladimir Klitschko agreed to a fight.

How excited were the fans when this fight was announced? So excited that the 61,000 seat Veltins Arena in Gelsenkirchen, Germany sold out, making it the largest crowd for a fight in Germany since Max Schmeling fought back in 1939. It did not matter if Haye was capable of beating Klitschko, fans expected a very exciting bout.

As fate would have it, the fight was not meant to be. On June 3, just two weeks before the fight, Haye withdrew with a back injury sustained during training. Hoping to still fight Klitschko, Haye requested a three week postponement to allow his back to heal. Much to the chagrin of boxing fans, Klitschko declined to postpone the fight, signing Ruslan Chagaev as Haye’s replacement.

Klitschko’s stated reason for postponing the fight was because he had never fought in front of a crowd so large and he wanted to see that dream realized. Whatever the reason, it was clear to fans that the newly scheduled Klitschko-Chagaev fight was going to be a very boring exhibition, likely playing out as previous Klitschko fights had. With only two weeks to train, there was little hope that Chagaev would pull off the upset. Expectations were so low that HBO Boxing cancelled their broadcast of the fight.

Did Klitschko make the right decision to deny Haye’s request to reschedule the fight, or should he have postponed the fight date in order to keep his scheduled bout with Haye?

Yes, Klitschko got to fight in front of a capacity crowd, but he arguably lost his global draw for the fight. The fight with Chagaev once again disappointed the many fans who had hoped to see an instant classic, but instead watched a one-sided, technical exhibition of fundamental boxing superiority by Klitschko. Chagaev was overmatched from the first bell. Are the long-term risks of Klitschko’s refusal to fight Haye mitigated by his seemingly guaranteed victory over Chagaev, or would the risk of fighting an apparently legitimate contender have paid off for Klitschko’s future prospects?

Loyal Homer will argue that Klitschko made the better choice by keeping his fight date and signing a replacement opponent in Ruslan Chagaev.

Sports Geek will argue that Klitschko should have instead accepted the postponed date, because he had more to gain from the commercial appeal of a fight with David Haye.

Once the debaters have completed their argument, we will go to the judge’s scorecard (me) for the final decision…

–DING!-


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