The Overshadowing the NBA Finals Debate

June 15, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan.

Well, it is the middle of June already, yet July 1 feels like it will NEVER get here. Like so many things in life, it is the not knowing that impacts us all. In the case of the NBA, it is not knowing what LeBron is going to do (think Tom Izzo wants to know, or is he just waiting for advice from Brett Favre?).

LeBron has been doing nothing to quell the fever pitch NBA free agency is creating throughout the sports world. He appeared on Larry King on the Friday after game one of the NBA Finals, and his daily statements are making, nay dominating, the news cycles. Even Buzz Bissinger, a LeBron biographer, called the timing of the Larry King move classless. Of course LeBron is not the only culprit in stealing attention away from the actual NBA games. Just yesterday news that Dwayne Wade had dinner with Chris Bosh stirred fans all over the continental U.S. into a frenzy of speculation.

The NBA is in a dangerous situation. Some folks believe that the news of potential free agency player destinations has trumped the news of and stories that rise up out of the NBA Finals. It is a slippery slope… at what point does the anticipation of the following season trump the end of the current one?

Fortunately TSD is here to answer that question: Has the various potential landing spots of high profile free agents overshadowed an exciting NBA Finals?

Bleacher Fan will argue that free agency has not overshadowed the NBA Finals at all while Loyal Homer will argue that the NBA Finals have taken a backseat to an exciting free agent period in basketball – that has not even “technically” begun.

Get your arguments in quickly, fellas – while the Finals are still happening!

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The NFL in LA Debate, Volume 1 – This is Almost Too EASY! Of course LA needs a team!

July 22, 2009

Read the debate intro and Bleacher Fan’s argument that LA should not have a team .



I agree with Sports Geek that I really am ready for football season to get here. Baseball is great, and it appears we are going to have some excellent pennant races. But to answer Hank Williams Jr.’s question… yes I am ready for some football!

Sports Geek has asked me and Bleacher Fan to debate the merits of bringing a football back to the City of Angels. Quite honestly, it’s a slam dunk that the NFL should seriously look at bringing the NFL back to Los Angeles. Possibly Ed Roski can make it happen! Los Angeles County residents sure hope so!

Let’s break this down, look at the facts, and then you can try and tell me if you see a valid reason why LA should NOT have a professional football team.

As Sports Geek stated in his intro, Los Angeles is the number two television market in the country. Basically, there are lots of eyes and ears out there. The city of Los Angeles, according to the latest census figures, has 3.8 million people. The Greater Los Angeles Area, which includes LA, Santa Ana, Long Beach, and others, has a population of nearly 13 million people.

What Roski is proposing is a fascinating idea. The proposed new stadium will seat approximately 75,000 people. The kicker, though, is that the stadium will have luxury boxes and suites – something that the Coliseum did not have when the LA Raiders left for Oakland way back in 1994. Suites, luxury boxes, and other amenities bring in extra cash and provide a big boost to the bottom line.

Also, having only one team in the LA/Anaheim area, instead of two, would be a tremendous help. For years the area had both the Raiders and the Rams. With just one team for the media to cover and for the fans to support, it is MUCH easier to draw a crowd and create a buzz throughout southern California.

I also think that the football landscape has changed in southern California since the Rams and Raiders left in 1994. Pete Carroll has brought college football back into the limelight this decade. In the past seven years, the USC Trojans have gone an eye-popping 82-9, winning at least 11 games every year. Football fever is back in the area thanks to the success of the Trojans. Southern California is now one of the nation’s hot spots again for all high school football players across the country. This can only help any potential franchise that comes to the area!

Major League Baseball has two teams in the area with the Dodgers and the Angels. The NBA has two teams with the world champion Lakers and the “non-world champion” Clippers. It makes NO sense whatsoever to not have a professional football team in Los Angeles.

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The NBA Replay Debate – Should Replay Be To Avoid Controversial Endings?

June 9, 2009

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As I have moved my record to a robust 2-0 in Court Room style debates, I have also earned the right to introduce and judge yet another timely topic involving the 2009 NBA Finals (side note – how are Laker fans getting out-voted by Magic fans?).

As I see it, NBA Commissioner David Stern may find himself in an off-season conundrum. Should the NBA change their famous Rule #13 (instant replay) to include a number of traditionally non-reviewable aspects, solely to ensure fairness for any last second shot that takes place as time expires?

Here’s the scenario. The Orlando Magic, their fans, and their media (including our friends at the Orlando Sentinel) have contested that there is a chance Los Angeles Lakers power forward Pau Gasol committed goaltending on Magic shooting guard Courtney Lee’s attempt to hammer home a lob pass as time expired in regulation during Game 2 of the 2009 NBA Finals.

Let’s not worry about whether the refs cheated the Magic. Instead, the compelling question for me is the following: How involved should the NBA get in controversial, potentially game-changing plays as time expires in regulation or overtime?

Consider the end of Game 2 of this year’s Finals as the key example. The game clock expired as Lee’s shot missed. However, there is some controversy surrounding whether Gasol caused the rim to move, or hit the ball after it had already touched the backboard. In situations like this, regardless of the normal process governing when a play can or cannot be replayed, should the NBA mandate that a close play at the end of a game – a play that could change the game’s outcome – be reviewed to ensure fairness and accuracy, not just time-remaining when the ball was released.

Currently, the rules surrounding what constitutes a reviewable play – and what doesn’t – are clear. Replays may occur only when issues involving time remaining on the clock, the severity of a flagrant foul, or the players involved in an altercation are in question. (You can read the entire rule book online. It’s a real page turner. Rule #13 is on page 50, if you’re curious.).

Here’s the debate. The NBA must use replay to review a close play at the end of regulation that may change the game’s outcome, including potential foul calls (only shooting fouls), goaltending, traveling, charging, and all ‘player control fouls.’

Loyal Homer will argue that the NBA must amend the rule book and expand the definition of replay at the end of a game to ensure the utmost fairness and accuracy of its referees.

Bleacher Fan will argue that the NBA should in no way amend their Rule #13, and that instant replay should remain intact after the slight alterations made to it last off-season.

I think there are several interesting points to be made in this debate, including how much oversight NBA referees should have when making big judgments (on the court, not in the casinos, Tim Donaghy). Let the debate commence!

Read the opening arguments from Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan.


The 2009 NBA Finals Debate – The Verdict Is In

June 9, 2009

Will the defendants please rise?

Loyal Homer has reached a decision. After much deliberation, Loyal Homer has decided to rule in favor of…

SPORTS GEEK!

(Minor applause)

Folks, this isn’t a slam dunk case. Many across the nation think this is in the bag. Let me tell you, it’s not. Judging by the results of the poll, you don’t necessarily think it’s over either. As of this writing, 42% of you think the Magic still have a shot! (Some of you just want to see Stan Van Gundy wearing his Sunday best.) Remember the shooting display that Orlando Magic forwards Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, and Mickael Peitrus (where has he been for the NBA Finals?) put on against the Cleveland Cavaliers. That could still happen against the favored Lakers.

We at the Sports Debates have been giving Stan Van Gundy a lot of grief (well, one of us has… you figure out who). But, Loyal Homer likes Stan better than his brother Jeff, not only because he has more hair than his brother, but because he has quietly turned this team around in a short amount of time. Remember two years ago when Florida Gator men’s basketball head coach Billy Donavan took the job and then had a change of heart in the span of two days? ‘Stan the Man’ was the fall back guy and he wasn’t exactly Stan the Man in the eyes of Magic fans. While I don’t think he is the best coach in the league or even this series like Bleacher Fan suggests, I still think he is underrated and doesn’t get the league-wide respect that he deserves. The fact that Orlando has the next three games, as Bleacher Fan touches on, gives them a shot.

However, let’s not kid ourselves. Though the Magic are a Courtney Lee layup from being tied in this series, the Lakers are still the overwhelming favorite at this point. The Lakers won Game 2 of the NBA Finals with an admittedly mediocre performance from star Kobe Bryant. They got clutch shots late in the game from center Pau Gasol, guard Derek Fisher, and forward Lamar Odom.

What separates the Lakers from the Magic in this series is the frontcourt, as Sports Geek says. The Magic matched up well with Cleveland but they really don’t with the Lakers. Then again, who does match up well with the Lakers? Especially with the monsters down low in center Andrew Bynum, Gasol, and Odom. After losing his last two shots at a record tenth NBA championship, you have to figure Lakers coach Phil Jackson isn’t going to lose three Finals in a row.

Good debate! Like I said, this series isn’t over yet (at least ABC hopes it isn’t). That said, the Lakers would really have to lay an egg to let the Magic back in the series at this point.

Read Sports Geek and Bleacher Fan’s opinions!


The NBA Championship Debate – It’s Kobe’s Time

May 29, 2009

(Site note: If you missed the set up to this debate, click here. If you missed why the Magic will win, click here. If you missed how the Cavaliers will win, click here. Read Loyal Homer’s argument for the Lakers, then vote!).



As it stands today, four teams are left in what has been one of the most entertaining playoffs in recent memory. All four teams have strong credentials and a superstar – which is good for ratings. We all know what matchup the NBA and ABC are hoping for. It’s what most fans are hoping for also. But, when all is said and done, no matter what the matchup is in the Finals, I believe the Los Angeles Lakers will come out on top, and win their first championship since 2003.

Sports Geek has given you his reasons why Orlando will win with all of his numbers and statistics. But, that’s what sports geeks do! Bleacher Fan has given his reasons why Cleveland will win. Let me tell you why the Lakers will win.

Kobe knows it’s his time. It’s not quite “now or never” time but it really isn’t that far off. Lebron is only getting better and Wade, Anthony, and Howard are on teams who are only going to get better in the coming years. Perhaps Kobe just isn’t ready to hand over the throne to King James just yet.

It’s been an ongoing debate amongst NBA fans about who the best player in the NBA is right now. The pendulum has swung to Lebron James’ favor in the past year. Heck, even former Laker player (and Kobe Bryant’s former boss) Jerry West agrees. Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwight Howard have had their moment in the spotlight, also. Meanwhile, there’s a guy that plays at the Staples Center. You may have heard of him.

I will say that Andrew Bynum is going to have to consistently step up his game for the Lakers to win. Bynum had an awful two first rounds against the Jazz and Rockets, respectively, but he has picked it up slightly against the Nuggets. To beat the Cavs or Magic, he will have to continue to pick it up.

Let’s not forget the Lakers are coming off an NBA Finals loss last year to the Celtics. Couple the taste of that recent loss with the loss to the Pistons in the 2004, and the Lakers are on what you might call a mini-championship slump. It’s time to right the ship. It’s time for Kobe to get his fourth ring and continue to climb the ladder of the all time greats.

Lakers over the Nuggets in 6. Lakers over The Sharply Dressed Coach Stan Van Gundy and his Orlando Magic team in 6!!!


The NBA Championship Debate – Why the Orlando Magic Will Win

May 29, 2009

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The Orlando Magic will hoist this year’s Davey O’Brien trophy in their champagne soaked home locker room. Bold statement? Not when you consider how good this team really is.

First is their impressive offense, which has only picked up since the post-season started. For starters, their field goal percentage has gone up in the playoffs compared to the regular season. As a team the Magic shot 46% in the regular season to an improved 47% in the playoffs, and nearly 50% in the Eastern Conference finals. The Magic get better each game, so let’s compare regular season stats to the Eastern Conference finals stats and gauge how this team keeps improving.

Their defensive star, center Dwight Howard, is a big reason why they’ve improved so much. He shot 57% in the regular season, but has improved to 62% from the field in the conference finals. Orlando’s version of Mr. Big Shot, Rashard Lewis, (sorry, Chauncey) shot 44% in the regular season, but is now shooting 56% in the conference finals. The list of improved performance goes right down the line, Rafer Alston shot 41% in the regular season, but is shooting 45% now. Supposed backup and defensive specialist Mickael Pietrus knocked in 41% of his shots in the regular season, and is now money 49% of the time. These are not statistical anomalies – these are trends. The team’s ball movement and ability to spread the floor on offense with great 3-point shooters make it impossible to double Howard and prevent a 3-point shot. Keep in mind that it’s not little guard that are hitting these 3s and driving the lane – it’s a bunch of 6’10″ match up nightmares.

There is no team left in the playoffs good enough to play Howard straight up on defense and not foul out in the first 5 minutes of the game. Therefore, the double team will come, Howard will pass, and the Magic will connect on a wide-open 3-point shot more times than not.

On defense, Howard, the NBA Defensive Player of the Year has been good enough in protecting the paint that the Cavs, and every other team the Magic have played this post-season, are settling for low-percentage outside jump shots. Not even great players (or puppets?) like Kobe or LeBron can connect every time. No remaining team in the playoffs can outshoot the Magic. Period.

Playing against the Cavaliers in the Eastern Conference finals was a stroke of good luck for them, having gone 2-1 against them in the 2009 regular season, plus winning 9 of their last 12 against them going into the series. I’m sure Cavs fans were thinking this was the ONE team they did NOT want to play come late May. The Magic will end this series at home and move on to the West.

The Magic were great against the West this year. They went 2-0 versus the Lakers and 1-1 against the Nuggets. They actually beat the Nuggets in Denver, but lost to them at home in a dismal game on February 11, 2009 where they scored just 12 points in the second quarter just 9-days after losing All-Star Jameer Nelson for the season. They also shot a very uncharacteristic 30% in that game. Basically, everything had to go wrong for the Magic, and they still only lost by 9.

It’s easy to see that when the Magic get behind in games early, it’s because they aren’t trying yet. When they concentrate, work for open shots, dominate inside on defense and listen to their talented coach Stan Van Gundy (what’s with the short-sleeves under the suit coat, man – is it THAT hot in Orlando?), there is not a team in the NBA that can stop them.

Orlando over the Cavs in 6. Orlando over the Western champs in 5.


The NBA Championship Debate – Who’s the King of the Hill?

May 29, 2009

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As of this morning, 4 teams still remain in the hunt for the Larry O’Brien NBA Championship trophy. So, which of the 4 will take it? Sports Geek will argue that the trophy is being shined for the Orlando Magic, Bleacher Fan will argue for their opponent the Cleveland Cavaliers, and yesterday’s “not winner” – Loyal Homer – will argue for Jack Nicholson’s favorite team the LA Lakers. The abundantly tattooed Denver Nuggets are on the outside looking in.

Check back all day, as we’ll be posting each argument at different times throughout the day today (mostly because our real jobs are boring).

Here’s the best part (that sounds like a line from an infomercial… ShamWow anyone?) – the winner is decided by you, our quickly growing population of Sports Debaters. After the final argument we’ll put up the poll. Vote all weekend, get your friends to vote, your Grandma, even that Aunt you hardly talk to and the Uncle who’s lap you weren’t allowed to sit on when you were a kid. We’ll see who won the debate first thing Monday morning, before the next judge (Sports Geek) posts the first debate topic of next week. You won’t want to miss that debate – it promises to be full of controversy.

Also, post your own comments and try to sway the votes of other visitors – this only works if you bums readers participate! Vote early, vote often. Vote for the best argument, or your favorite team, or because you like Lakes, Nuggets of things, Cavalier attitudes or Magic (who doesn’t like Magic?).


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