The Retiring or Forced Out Debate – When Does Respect Get Un-Earned?

December 3, 2009

Read the debate intro and the argument Babe Ruthless in favor of forcing out an established, long-tenured coach and leader.



Every sports fan has heard the jokes. “Joe Paterno was a consultant on I Love Lucy.” “Joe Paterno is so old and unsure about the future that he doesn’t even buy green bananas.” Okay, that last one is actually pretty funny.

The Joe Paterno references come, obviously, as a result of what has happened to Bobby Bowden. It was deemed this week, by a bunch of suits, that Bobby Bowden could no longer effectively coach football at Florida State and he was forced out, not allowed to retire with grace. Bowden recently stated that he wanted to coach one more season. Rather than have that wish granted, he was dismissed.

Coaches that have amassed careers like Paterno and Bowden have earned respect like no other. They are legends. Legends are allowed to play by different rules, and with good reason.

For insight into how much respect Bobby Bowden got in Tallahassee on Tuesday, the day of his de facto firing, read this fascinating and troubling account by Sports Illustrated writer Andy Staples (a Sports Geek favorite). Bowden was fired. So much for the 388-129-4 record coaching record. So much for the 12 conference championships. So much for the Heisman Trophy winner Charlie Ward he and his pupil Mark Richt cultivated.

There is no question that the height of Bowden’s success came in 1990s where he recorded double digits in wins every season (back when only 11 regular season games were played, and the bowl game stats did not count). But, Bowden was very successful this decade as well. He kicked the decade off with an appearance in the BCS championship game, and won at least eight games a season until 2006 when the program struggled to two consecutive seven win seasons. Struggled with just seven wins. How many programs would love to struggle like that? Despite the “struggles,” Bowden never wavered, maintaining confidence in the program and its leadership. Sure enough, the Seminoles bounced back with a nine win season in 2008 and a tie for the Atlantic division (though FSU lost the tiebreak to appear in the title game thanks to a loss to Boston College). The point? Never doubt the legend.

Okay, enough of recounting Bobby Bowden’s impressive resume and a history that spans not just the emergence of the Florida State program, but the ascension of college football in general into a top spot in America’s sports conversation.

Consider the case of Joe Paterno as an example of why not to force out a legendary coach. This legend is actually two years Bowden’s senior, and suffered a winning swoon far worse than anything Bowden encountered. Paterno’s program won seven total games from 2003 to 2004. Yikes. Not good. As 2004 came to a close myriad talking faces jawed about how Paterno must be forced out, that the program was dead, that it needed new life and new thinking. Firejopa.com was launched. Paterno asked for patience and was granted patience. What happened next? An 11 win season and a win in the Orange Bowl, a BCS game. Then he had two nine win seasons. Then another 11 win season and this season he has already won 10 games. Oh, and now Firejopa.com is for sale. Never doubt the legend.

A growing problem with college football that wrongly compromises the ability of a legend to coach effectively is the idea of a “coach in waiting.” Hiring a coach in waiting cedes some level of authority to a person that is not the head coach. It creates a locker room dynamic where players and coaches take sides and it opens the door to infighting, a very unhealthy situation that it NEVER seen in great programs. Bowden is a victim of the coach in waiting ideology that has infected major college football programs in the last few years. Putting a name and a public face on the coach in waiting – especially hiring one from the outside – is pointless and it undermines a successful coach for absolutely no valid reason. When just Bobby Bowden was in charge – when the buck stopped at his desk – the program was “pretty daggum good,” as he would say.

The point is that Bobby Bowden, like Joe Paterno, has not become too old to coach or ineffective. Bowden was, for the first time in his career, caught on the business end of a college football trend. He jumped on the idea of a coach in waiting as he did so many other trends in college football that did take off. This one bit him, and ultimately damaged his ability to maintain the respect he both earned and needed to keep Florida State’s program at the top of the heap. He did not suddenly become a bad coach in need of an ouster.

Bowden, like Paterno, did not deserve to get forced out because he earned enough respect throughout his career to be given the opportunity to fulfill his stated wish – coaching one more season. Instead a bunch of suits that believe they know what’s best for the football program made a stupid decision. The collectively doubted the legend.

Bottom line, you can never count a legend out. Ever. When they seem down, they bounce back. That trait is one of many reasons why legends achieve legendary status. No one knows more about a subject than the legend. They have earned the right to step down at a time of their choosing.

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The Retiring or Forced Out Debate – Never Can Say Goodbye… Or Can We?

December 3, 2009

Read the debate intro and the argument from Sports Geek against forcing out an established, long-tenured coach and leader.



Coaches are often allowed to hang around far too long because they are chasing some elusive record. The most spectacular example of this is the battle between Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden for the most all-time career wins in college football history.

Both coaches are old… really, really old (Bowden is 80 and Paterno is 82). Both coaches established respected legacies built upon winning records and national titles. Both coaches became the face of their respective football programs. But time catches up with everyone. Bowden’s legacy was the first to crack. Criticism mounting over Florida State’s underwhelming play, during the latter half of the current decade, led to his eventual retirement – which was officially announced earlier this week. But, the writing was on the wall much earlier. Bowden’s offensive coordinator, Jimbo Fisher, was tapped as his successor in 2007. The sitautions should have indicated to Bowden that it was time for a change when his school picked his replacement while he was still coaching

Paterno’s Penn State Nittany Lions boast a more impressive record over the past few seasons, but it leaves one to wonder if the clock is ticking on JoePa’s tenure since he has received criticism for his coaching and recruiting. In 2006 an 80-year-old Paterno broke his leg after he took a helmet to the knee during a collision out-of-bounds, and folded like a cheap accordion. This begs the question, should a coach even be allowed to stay once they reach a certain age? Sure, some say that Joe Paterno wears a suit when he coaches so they can bury him right after the game, but does anyone really want it to come to that? If these venerable coaches should be shown the door, then certainly schools with lesser coaches have every right to do likewise.

Allowing an ineffective coach to avoid retirement because of tradition or sentimentality is not only wrong, but it messes with the natural order of the universe. Seeing as how I am facing the Sports Geek for the first time ever, I figured I might out-geek him with some nerd knowledge. The second law of thermodynamics states that everything moves from a state of order to disorder. In layman’s terms, everything breaks down. This is true of all matter, and the last time I checked coaches were still made of matter. Ergo, coaches breakdown. They deteriorate both physically and in ability right in front of our eyes (and according to my calculations, Lou Holtz is due to turn into a pile of dust in approximately 5, 4, 3, 2, …).

Sure, legendary coaches deserve our respect, but they do not have the right to dictate when it is their time to retire. Adherence to tradition out of fear of the future is foolhardy. American philosopher and founding father Thomas Paine once said of blindly following tradition, “We may as well assert that because a child has thrived upon milk, that it is never to have meat.” Similarly it is illogical to think no one can fill the shoes of our favorite coaches. We should not fear showing coaches the door when they start to slip. If the powers within a program believe they can do better with someone else coaching, I say go for it. Many, including yours truly, thought the Yankees would never find a replacement for legendary coach Joe Torre. But, low and behold, just two years after his somewhat forced departure the Yankees won their elusive 27th World Series Championship under the management of Joe Girardi.

Change happens. It is an unavoidable fact, but life goes on. The issue of when a coach should retire becomes distorted when viewed through the lens of team loyalty. Looking back on a coach’s legacy, it is hard to evaluate subjectively. But, we owe it to our team and our coach to be honest about the situation. When it’s time to go, it’s time to go!

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The Football Feast Winner Debate – SEC Recruits Future Wins From the ACC

November 30, 2009

Read the arguments from Bleacher Fan and Loyal Homer about which teams or conferences won the Thanksgiving football feast over the long weekend.



It’s good to be the SEC right now. National title hopes? Check. Multiple spots in the highly-lucrative BCS games? Check. Dominate the other regional conference? Check. Winner of Thanksgiving 2009’s Football Feast? Check!

Every rabid college football fan knows how important recruiting is. Sure, some college football writers like Sports Illustrated writer Stewart Mandel have indelicate names for these rabid fans, but I call them smart. These types of fans are tuned in; they understand not just how to win game to game but how to build a sustainable program. True fans believe in program building. Fair weather fans worry about games or select seasons. It’s the difference between rooting for a football team and rooting for a football program.

Every rabid college football fan knows that the SEC wiped the floor with the ACC over the Thanksgiving holiday, further complicating the ACC’s attempt to climb back to national relevance with powerhouse recruiting. Most importantly, all of the recruits that were visiting those home SEC games, those intrastate rivalry games, would be fools to choose the ACC school.

The ACC had three opportunities over the weekend to assert itself as a conference that rivaled the talent level and energy of the SEC, and all were extremely important within each state. At each of these games the cream of the recruiting crop in each state was in attendance and observed an SEC whooping.

The first game took place in South Carolina where a 6-5 South Carolina team was hosting an 8-3 Clemson team that already clinched its division and has an opportunity to take a run at a BCS. Clemson had the record, the momentum, and the star in running back CJ Spiller. But the entire team laid a massive egg in a 34-17 loss. The inability to stop the run (223 yards allowed on the ground) and the inability run the ball (net 48 rushing yards) taught an important lesson to lineman and skill player recruits in attendance – if the game is won in the trenches, one team can win and one team cannot. South Carolina’s finest no doubt took note. A seemingly down and out SEC team with a bad record beat an ACC division winner.

Virtually a carbon copy of the South Carolina game emerged in Georgia. The seventh ranked Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets saw senior night ruined at the oldest stadium in college football in the famed rivalry, “Clean, Old Fashioned Hate.” Georgia racked up a 30-24 victory and gave Tech a taste of its own medicine, limiting the Jackets to just over 200 yards on the ground – well below the team’s average – and amassed 339 against the Jackets’ defense. Georgia is one of the premier recruiting states for high school football with two established and elite programs in the state. As good of a coach and a recruiter as Tech head coach Paul Johnson is, it is a tough sell sitting in the homes of some of the elites in Georgia when a clearly inferior Georgia team dominated a supposedly superior Tech team.

Last, in a game I actually believed would be good, Florida dismantled a bad Florida State team. Yet another talent-rich recruiting state – probably the best of the three – saw the SEC team in the rivalry completely destroy the ACC counterpart, this time 37-10. In keeping with the running theme, Florida ran for 311 yards to FSU’s 83.

In all three cases the SEC had a more dominant offensive and defensive line than the ACC did. For the ACC to catch up with the SEC in terms of talent, it has to show improvement between the hash marks, not just at the skill positions. The ACC showed it still has a long, long way to go.

It does not matter that the ACC is better than the Big East, or that some teams in the ACC are better than others as we learned last weekend. There are few weekends – few opportunities – each football season for the ACC to prove to the SEC and the world that it is equal or better than the SEC, and begin balancing out the one-sided recruiting contest. The ACC had a massive opportunity in important, in-state chief rivalry games, and the entire conference blew it. Know the lesson that was taught now, see the results of the lesson on the first Tuesday in February.

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The Leaving College Early For The Pros Debate – Go On, Take The Money And Run

November 12, 2009

Read the debate intro and the argument from Loyal Homer that no matter what the circumstances a student-athlete should complete their education.



In respect of the impressive debut from TSD’s newest contributor, Babe Ruthless, I decided to use a classic rock song lyric in my title, too. While my chosen lyric is appropriate, it does boil down a complex issue a little too simply. Encouraging a college player to leave the college environment early is a little bit of a stretch for the Sports Geek (given, ya know… the GEEK part). But, a full analysis of the situation does lead me to believe that a critical point can be reached where an athlete must choose the best use of their time. Sometimes, the best use of time is playing professional sports.

I have incredible respect for former Florida State college football star defensive back Myron Rolle. The New York Times did a substantial story on the scholar athlete and recipient of the Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford across the pond. Rolle intends to become a neurosurgeon after he completes his education (and professional football career, he hopes). He has already started a foundation that is going to build a medical clinic near the Bahamas. Rolle’s scholastic aptitude and ability to juggle the intense lifestyle of a top tier athlete and a top tier academic load is impressive. Still, few athletes approach the type of academic ability that Myron Rolle has.

However, for Rolle, the best use of his time is in scholarship to further his education and prepare for life after football and his ultimate goal of neurosurgery. Rolle is the rarest of rare examples.

Let’s examine two normal, contemporary scenarios (of which Rolle is not) and determine the best course of action.

Scenario 1

You are an unprivileged scholarship athlete in your junior season at a state university. You have worked hard to get good at football in order to create the opportunity for a shot at the professional leagues. Your stats are solid and your grades are not. Is their value in staying in school and completing your education?

No. Take the professional money and develop your career. Many non-athletes do not have college degrees but have gone on to be successful in their chosen career path because of hard work. See Michael Dell and that Bill Gates fella for two examples.

Scenario 2

You are a redshirt junior at a major national university. You are smart, an above average student with an actual major like Finance. You have also completed 69.4 percent of your passes for 2,453 yards and 13 touchdowns. You are the fourteenth most efficient passer in the country, and ranked fourth in completion percentage. Professional scouts are giddy over your potential claiming you are first or second round draft pick material. Do you come back for your final year of eligibility?

No. Despite your college success both on the field and in classroom, Florida State quarterback Christian Ponder, the best use of your time, talents, and resources is to continue to develop your craft at the professional level. While it may not be easy, it is not impossible to suspend a college learning career and come back to it later. It is impossible to suspend an athletic career and come back to it later in hopes of outstanding results.

Most college athletes are not geniuses. For example, Sam Bradford is a football player. He is not the Rhodes Scholar type. Attending another year of class and tip-toeing around strange NCAA rules that dictate who can and cannot purchase you and your roommate dinner is not going to do Bradford any good. The best use of his time is preparing for the draft. Sam Bradford could have received a headline like, “Sam Bradford First Quarterback Taken” or “Sam Bradford Hopes to Rejuvenate the [Team Name]s.” Instead Bradford’s headlines read “Oklahoma’s Bradford Should Have Gone Pro Earlier” or “Sam Bradford Plans to Enter Draft After Surgery.” When a primary job skill is sound decision making, it is fair to query Bradford about his insistence on staying in college. If he has another year of eligibility, but does not have his degree yet, what did this one extra, injury riddled season accomplish for him? Nothing. In fact, the season was a loss. He did not do anything to build his resume for professional teams and he managed to injure his throwing shoulder twice, requiring surgery after the second injury.

Welcome to The Bradford Effect. Any impressive and highly regarded college athlete who chooses to go pro instead of arbitrarily sticking things out in college has learned from The Bradley Effect.

Athletes, what is the best use of your time? Is finishing your education for an advanced post-football career that requires a great deal of training necessary and important? Or, like 99.9% of student athletes, is your education not the primary focus of college, but a hopeful jumping off point to a career in professional sports. The majority of athletes must make the intelligent decision and maximize their potential by aligning their capabilities with their priorities. In other words – Go on, kids… take the money and run.

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