The Boxing Schedule Debate – The Verdict

June 24, 2009

Read Loyal Homer and Sports Geek’s opinions.



After one round of exciting boxing debate action, we go to the judge’s scorecard… Judge Bleacher Fan from Ohio has scored the bout 10-9 in favor of the winner, by unanimous decision…

-pause for dramatic effect-

From the state of GEORGIA, LOYAL HOMER!!!!!

Sports Geek raised a very interesting point about boxing, in the sense that the scheduling of fights is different than many other professional sports. Unlike professional football, baseball, basketball, golf, etc., a fighter in boxing has the opportunity to pick and choose who they face. Ironically, it was that point that he raised which ultimately convinced me to award the debate to his opponent.

There can be varying reasons for why a fighter will choose to accept (or decline) a fight.

Money, however, is the primary reason. I can remember an interview with Jermain Taylor, following a fight against Cory Spinks, Jr., where Taylor (who was at the time a much maligned middleweight champion for having taken the “wrong” fights) was asked if he would accept a fight against Kelly Pavlik. Pavlik at the time had just upset the favored Edison Miranda in a very exciting bout on the Taylor/Spinks undercard, and had made a case that he was the most deserving for a title opportunity against Taylor. Taylor’s response was that he would fight anyone as long as the money was right. The implication behind that comment was that he didn’t care about fighting the best competition; he just wanted to make sure he got paid. It didn’t matter that Pavlik was ‘deserving’ of a title shot, either. Taylor was the King of the Hill, and all of his fights would be set by HIS terms and no one else’s.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has echoed that sentiment in his comments, stating that a fight with Manny Pacquiao (the current pound-for-pound champion) will probably never happen, because he “doesn’t have to chase fighters.” Basically, Mayweather is saying that he doesn’t want to concede “the lion’s share” to another fighter because he feels he should be the top earner in the fight.

Ultimately, this compensation format of contract fighting has resulted in a sport where the best fighters don’t always fight each other. If the athletes are more interested in a paycheck than they are interested in having beaten the “best,” they don’t have to fight the “best.” Today, boxers are much more self-serving in their decisions because the system allows them to be. They are not interested in what’s best for boxing because they do not have to be. Instead, they are interested primarily in what’s best for THEM.

While the boxing world would have liked to see Klitschko fight Haye (or for that matter, his own brother) he doesn’t HAVE to if he doesn’t WANT to. I don’t like the system, but that’s what we have. Wladimir Klitschko, despite the apparent fact that a fight against David Haye would have probably been better for the sport, was allowed the opportunity to replace Haye following his back injury.

To Loyal Homer’s point (which helped him solidify the victory), the Klitschko-Haye fight may still take place, but Klitschko had been training to fight on June 20, in front of an anticipated capacity crowd. If he felt the risk was too great that something (either an injury or a drop in attendance) would be compromised by pushing the fight date back 3 weeks, then he was completely justified in his decision. While it may have resulted in a less entertaining fight, he got what he wanted out of it.

At the end of the day, the question of whether or not Klitschko made the right decision to replace Haye with Chagaev, Klitschko can provide the best answer. If he is satisfied with the outcome, then he made the right decision.


The Boxing Schedule Debate – What Did Klitschko Gain? Zip!

June 23, 2009

Read the debate intro and Loyal Homer’s opinion.



For anyone reading who doesn’t follow boxing, the scheduling is very similar to college football. (No, it’s not a boxer taking on a college football team. But, that would be interesting.) Some boxers schedule weak fighters, some boxers schedule tough fighters. Like the elite college football teams who refuse to schedule the Sisters of the Poor, some boxers refuse an opponent that doesn’t match their capabilities for a variety of reasons. One, it’s beneath them. Two, it’s not challenging and does not showcase their ability. Three, to be considered the best, they must beat the best. Then… there’s Wladimir Klitschko. He’d rather play the Sisters of the Poor.

It’s obvious that Klitschko refuses to fight the best fighters. If he was welcoming of that type of fight he would agree to fight his brother, Vitali, a current heavyweight title-holder and the closest thing Wladimir has to a legitimate opponent since their strength and technical attention to detail is similar. In other words, THAT would be a fair fight.

Instead, Wladimir patently rebuffed any attempt to preserve the respectability of himself and his sport when he refused to postpone his planned fight with potentially interesting opponent David Haye and take on a much less exciting, undertrained and therefore weakened, Ruslan Chagaev. What did Klitschko gain by forcing Chagaev to train in two weeks time, when it was only an additional 3 weeks to face Haye? Zip! Rather than continue training to reach the peak of performance readiness (though Loyal Homer would have you believe extra training is a BAD thing), Klitschko chose to have a lesser fight. That’s a bad approach to sports, no matter what sport an athlete is in. The objective is always to beat the best to prove you’re the best. Not take on a weakened opponent just to preserve some ridiculous notion that “it’d be cool to fight in front of a lot of people.” Those same people would have shown up for Haye (in fact, that’s who they originally paid to see) – and, they probably would have stayed for an entire fight, unlike the snooze fest Klitschko apparently preferred.

It’s not just athletic logic to “be the best you must beat the best” – it’s also good business. Who are the most famous athletes in sports? Across the board, they are all champions. Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Albert Pujols, Derek Jeter… the list is lengthy. But, as long as that list is, it does not include Wladimir Klitschko. He blew his chance to beat the best fighter that was willing to fight him, and continually refuses to box the only other fighter who could legitimize him as a true boxing great. To prove he is the best he must agree to meet the best whenever he can. He proves nothing by fighting a weaker opponent. If anything, he just wastes everyone’s time.

It boils down to ego. Klitschko wanted to fight in front of a large crowd, and nothing was going to prevent that – even if the fans were to be unwittingly subjected to a one-sided, borderline unfair fight due to Chagaev’s insufficient training. If Klitschko was truly interested in proving himself in a fair fight while angling to fight a challenging opponent, he would have accepted the postponed date. Instead, he decided to go with a big crowd he would lull to sleep before they finally awoke in the ninth round, saw that Klitschko was jabbing the ever-loving crap out of Chagaev, and would make their way to the exits. How is this a good decision? He’s managed to alienate fans trying to get into boxing, and bore the ones who are intensely loyal to the sport. Perhaps one of the 1,534,634,345,234 governing bodies should have stepped in and diplomatically forced Klitschko to wait for the better fight. Perhaps it is this situation that proves, yet again, why boxing needs to have a unified system capable of exerting the leverage necessary to preserve the sanctity of the sport. With a divided ruling class, boxing will never have the accountability and marketing horsepower necessary to return it to worldwide glory. But, maybe that’s a debate for another day.


The Boxing Schedule Debate – Haye Backed Out, It’s Not Klitschko’s Fault!

June 23, 2009

Read the debate intro and Sports Geek’s opinion.



Loyal Homer admittedly is not a huge boxing fan. Back in the mid 1990’s and earlier this decade, I sure was. Heck, part of the reason I made my parents subscribe to HBO (in pre-Sopranos days) was so I could watch heavyweight boxing matches when they were not on Pay Per View. Weren’t those Holyfield-Tyson fights great, especially the second one? Don’t you remember having to see Al Bernstein on ESPN every time a big fight was approaching? Since Tyson hung the gloves up, and, to a lesser extent, since Lennox Lewis retired, boxing hasn’t had the same “bite” (pun intended).

In the past couple of months, hype was beginning to build for the Wladamir Klitschko-David Haye fight. Klitschko, unbeknownst to many casual fans, is the IBF and WBO heavyweight champion of the world. David Haye, a newcomer to the heavyweight division, was an upcoming hot-shot who had electrified the boxing world as a Cruiserweight. The fight was to be held in Germany in front of a capacity crowd. (Remember when big fights were held in Las Vegas and Atlantic City?… a debate for another day.)

Due to Haye’s injury the fight never happened. Haye requested the fight be postponed for three weeks, but Klitschko refused, instead scheduling a seemingly less exciting opponent.

And you know what? I don’t blame Klitschko. He was absolutely correct in doing so and had every right to do it.

This Klitschko-Haye fight had been planned for months. Both fighters had been training heavily for some time. I hate the fact that Haye injured himself. It could have been a heck of a fight and one I hope eventually happens. But why should Klitschko have to adjust his schedule? He has nothing to gain. Yes, he would have had a better opponent, but his training regiment was built around fighting on June 20, not July 11.

Say Klitschko injures himself on June 27 after agreeing to postpone the fight the requested three weeks. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that an injury could have occurred? As I stated, he was training himself to peak on June 20. By postponing the fight, he would have had to adjust his regime and who knows how his body would have reacted.

And I have yet mention the logistical problems. I’m sure plans could have been made to have the fight when Haye wanted it to, but plans were already made for the June 20 fight. Tickets were sold, arrangements made, etc. So, they might as well go ahead and have a fight!

I truly hope the Klitschko-Haye fight happens eventually. It could be the spark the sport needs right now. But, in no way do I fault Wladamir Klitchsko for going ahead and fighting another opponent on the planned fight day!


The Boxing Schedule Debate – To Be the Best, You’ve Gotta BEAT the Best… So if You ARE the Best, Does it Matter Who You Fight?

June 23, 2009

Read Loyal Homer and Sports Geek’s opinions.



In boxing’s heavyweight division, Wladimir Klitschko (53-3-0, 47KO) is the best. He’s ranked at the top by Ring Magazine, the IBF and the WBO.

Until recently, Klitschko was scheduled to fight David Haye (22-1-0, 21KO), a very exciting contender out of Great Britain who had no problems in letting the public know his lack of respect for both Wladimir and his brother, Vitali (37-2-0, 36KO) who is also a heavyweight title holder.

This fight could have rejuvenated the sport of boxing. Considered by most fans to be the premier weight class, the heavyweight division has lacked an exciting, fan pleasing champion since the retirement of Lennox Lewis in 2004. Since Lewis’ retirement, the Klitschko’s emerged as the division’s elite fighters, but neither excites crowds the way previous champions like Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, or Lewis were able to. Despite possessing devastating knockout power, the Klitschko’s have established their dominance more through technical superiority than brutality. Unfortunately, boxing fans crave the latter. As a result, the popularity of heavyweight boxing – and subsequently the sport in general – has suffered.

Another drawback in the heavyweight division is that the Klitschko brothers have categorically stated they will never fight each other. That decision leaves no chance of seeing the best fighters within the division step into the ring together until a new and legitimate contender can challenge their dominance. Many fight fans hoped Haye would be the man equal to the Klitschkos’ challenge.

Haye brings a level of excitement (and explosive brutality) to the heavyweight division that has re-energized boxing fans. After completely dominating the Cruiserweight division, the undisputed champion (holding the WBO, WBC, WBA AND Ring Magazine Championship Belts) vacated his titles to step up to heavyweight. Last November, he completely dismantled American Monte Barrett in his heavyweight debut, sending Barrett to the canvas a total of five times. The fight mercifully ended in a fifth round TKO for Haye. Following that fight, Haye got his opportunity when Wladimir Klitschko agreed to a fight.

How excited were the fans when this fight was announced? So excited that the 61,000 seat Veltins Arena in Gelsenkirchen, Germany sold out, making it the largest crowd for a fight in Germany since Max Schmeling fought back in 1939. It did not matter if Haye was capable of beating Klitschko, fans expected a very exciting bout.

As fate would have it, the fight was not meant to be. On June 3, just two weeks before the fight, Haye withdrew with a back injury sustained during training. Hoping to still fight Klitschko, Haye requested a three week postponement to allow his back to heal. Much to the chagrin of boxing fans, Klitschko declined to postpone the fight, signing Ruslan Chagaev as Haye’s replacement.

Klitschko’s stated reason for postponing the fight was because he had never fought in front of a crowd so large and he wanted to see that dream realized. Whatever the reason, it was clear to fans that the newly scheduled Klitschko-Chagaev fight was going to be a very boring exhibition, likely playing out as previous Klitschko fights had. With only two weeks to train, there was little hope that Chagaev would pull off the upset. Expectations were so low that HBO Boxing cancelled their broadcast of the fight.

Did Klitschko make the right decision to deny Haye’s request to reschedule the fight, or should he have postponed the fight date in order to keep his scheduled bout with Haye?

Yes, Klitschko got to fight in front of a capacity crowd, but he arguably lost his global draw for the fight. The fight with Chagaev once again disappointed the many fans who had hoped to see an instant classic, but instead watched a one-sided, technical exhibition of fundamental boxing superiority by Klitschko. Chagaev was overmatched from the first bell. Are the long-term risks of Klitschko’s refusal to fight Haye mitigated by his seemingly guaranteed victory over Chagaev, or would the risk of fighting an apparently legitimate contender have paid off for Klitschko’s future prospects?

Loyal Homer will argue that Klitschko made the better choice by keeping his fight date and signing a replacement opponent in Ruslan Chagaev.

Sports Geek will argue that Klitschko should have instead accepted the postponed date, because he had more to gain from the commercial appeal of a fight with David Haye.

Once the debaters have completed their argument, we will go to the judge’s scorecard (me) for the final decision…

–DING!-


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