The Who Should Have Signed Michael Vick Debate – The Minnesota Vikings Missed Out

August 17, 2009

Read Bleacher Fan and Loyal Homer’s arguments about which team should have signed Michael Vick.



This is really a debate about Joel Segal, quarterback/convict Michael Vick’s agent. In the NFL, no less than ten teams (arguably more) are unsettled at the quarterback position at this stage of the pre-season. Somehow Vick signed with the Philadelphia Eagles – one of the few franchise’s in the NFL that does not have an unsettled quarterback situation. In fact, during the most recent off-season the Eagles actually took measures to improve their Pro Bowl quarterback’s contract, reassuring Donavan McNabb that he was the team leader.

First, here are a couple of reasons why the Philly signing caught the entire sports world off-guard (though, I must say, it was delightful to be caught off-guard in the customarily predictable world of sports journalism). While Philly does not have a quarterback controversy at all, they may have created one. After signing Vick, it is impossible for McNabb not to wonder, “If Vick does well… could I lose my job?” He would be foolish to ignore that inner voice – and he is not foolish (I think). Thus far he is repeating the company line, with the team positioning the signing as strongly urged by McNabb. Then there is the case of team president Jeffrey Lurie. It is impossible to separate the public relations issues from the football issues in this case, and Lurie seems equally concerned with both. In fact, he said in August 2007 that he’d “never” allow someone who participated in dog fighting to play for his team. Lurie has been forced to go against his morals and better judgment to approve this signing.

Because of these reasons, the Philly signing does not make sense… it does not feel comfortable. And the pundits who have shown up on television applauding the structure of the Eagles organization as the real reason Vick signed with Philly fail to see the bigger picture. Most organizations (sorry, Bengals) have a structured environment. It is not impossible to find one that had both need at the quarterback position AND the environment the structure-craving Vick needs. Those two elements are married in the form of the Minnesota Vikings.

Who is the Vikings starting quarterback? Sage Rosenfels, a.k.a. Gus Frerotte light. Words like, “journeyman” and “inconsistent” come to mind – not the words you would like to see used to describe a team leader. In his nine years in the league he has thrown 30 touchdown passes. That is a season for most good starting quarterbacks. In seasons where he has started five or more games, only once has he thrown more touchdowns than interceptions (he still threw 12 interceptions to 15 touchdowns).

The other quarterback with a shot to start is fourth year player Tarvaris Jackson. Jackson, despite having thrown only 20 career touchdown passes, did play well last season with nine touchdowns against just two interceptions. But, even with his knowledge and experience in the offense, and his incumbent position in Minneapolis, the journeyman free agent Rosenfels was named the starter.

Now, before some readers start barking out crazy things like, “Vick could tutor Jackson” – let’s be realistic. Minnesota should not sign Vick to tutor Jackson – Minnesota needs a better quarterback. I am not going to insult anyone’s intelligence by saying that Michael Vick could tutor Tarvaris Jackson and help him get better. Vick is not a tutor, he’s a talent. Thus, Vick’s tenure in the NFL will end abruptly, when the spark of his talent is diminished. No slow, Chris Chandler-like swan song of mentoring QBs from city to city.

Vick is a short-term, high risk, high reward signing right now. No organization stands more to gain from it than the QB-starved/jilted Minnesota Vikings. Long gone are the high flying days of Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper. The Vikings need a talented, athletic quarterback to take them to the next level – the conference championship level (at least). Vick could be that player, without all of the discomfort and question marks that come with Philly.

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The NFL Training Camp Position Battle Debate – The Motown Quarterback Battle

July 31, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument that the New York Giants wide receiver battle is the year’s best training camp battle and Bleacher Fan’s argument that the Browns quarterback situation is the most fascinating battle looming in training camp .



Guys and gals, we hope you have enjoyed this week’s round of debates. We’ve enjoyed bringing them to you. As you can tell by our topics this week, the three of us are very excited about the upcoming football season, both professional and college football. Yes, we all love baseball. We also all support three different teams passionately, which makes for interesting behind the scenes chatter. But, nothing gets our juices flowing like those fall weekends!

Today, we are discussing which training camp battle promises to be the most intriguing. After some deep thought (yes, I go there occasionally), I have decided that the quarterback battle up in Detroit between rookie Matthew Stafford and veteran Daunte Culpepper is the league’s best.

Let’s recap the situation if you are not familiar. Stafford, of course, was the number one pick in this year’s draft. He played his college ball at the University of Georgia. Prior to being drafted, he agreed to a six year deal worth up to $78 million – with $41.7 million being guaranteed. (Whether or not NFL draft picks receive too much money is definitely a debate we will look at in the future.)Scouts are mixed on him, and there’s actually some question as to who will be a better NFL quarterback. Will it be Stafford or New York Jets first round pick Mark Sanchez? Stafford, without a doubt, has a cannon for an arm. It’s something that allowed him to get away with suspect footwork and inconsistent accuracy in college. That’s not going to happen in the NFL. Nonetheless, he is the future of the Detroit Lions organization and quite possibly the present.

Culpepper played for the Lions last year after signing with them mid-season. He suffered a shoulder injury that cut short his season, but he appears ready to go in 2009. Culpepper is a former star quarterback, having made the Pro Bowl three times earlier this decade with the Minnesota Vikings. Unfortunately, injuries derailed his career and he has been floating around the past few years (with a mini-retirement mixed in at the beginning of the 2008 season.) He’s thrown for over 23,000 yards in his career, so there’s no doubting his past credentials. But, he’d be the first one to tell you he is not what he was in his prime with the Vikings.

This also is not really going to be a dirty battle. Both guys appear to get along. Both are saying all the right things in public. Stafford has put in the work over the summer, but then again, so has Culpepper. Let’s face it… a lot of things are up for grabs with the Lions. Coming off a winless season, no one’s job is really safe. With a new coach in Jim Schwartz, everyone is essentially going to starting fresh.

I know this is off the radar a little. The only reason this battle would get any attention is because of Stafford’s status as a number one pick. What Detroit is going to have to decide is do they want to throw Stafford right into the fire and learn on the fly with a bad team (like Indianapolis did with Peyton Manning) or do they want him learning behind an experienced veteran like Culpepper? No matter what, it will be interesting to see how it turns out.

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