The NCAAF Conference Division Structure Debate Verdict

September 17, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Bleacher Fan and Loyal Homer.

Today I have been tasked with deciding whether or not the Big Ten did the right thing during the recent realignment by putting Michigan and Ohio State in different divisions. Of course, I was hoping to be the judge for the “Should a conference with 11 (soon to be 12) teams be called the Big Ten?” debate, but I’ve been told that we’ll be waiting on that debate until we start themathdebates.com. I believe that would be an easier verdict to write, but I’ll play the hand that I’ve been dealt and decide whether or not the Big Ten made the right decision.

As both writers alluded to, rivalries are an integral part of the college sports experience and they are very important to fans at all levels of athletics. Given that, I don’t think there is any way Big Ten leadership could have made a decision that would have pleased all the Michigan fans and/or all the Ohio State fans, let alone college football fans around the country that look forward to the Michigan-Ohio State tilt every season. However, my verdict is not allowed to say “They were hosed either way, so officials did the best they could.”

Bleacher Fan makes some interesting arguments as to why the Big Ten’s decision to put Michigan and Ohio State in separate divisions was the wrong one. He thinks the Big XII’s model, to put its historic rivals in the same division, is the way to go. His best point brings up the possibility that Ohio State and Michigan could meet in the last week of the regular season in a completely meaningless, vanilla game because they know they’ll be matched up against each other the following week in a meaningful conference championship game. While any big-time, historic rivalry will probably always have a bit of fire in it, several consecutive years of back-to-back Ohio State-Michigan games would wear on the teams, fan bases, pundits, and recruits.

However, Bleacher Fan loses me when he writes about “an Ohio State-Michigan game for all the marbles.” Perhaps it would be for all marbles in the eyes of Ohio State and Michigan fans, but nationally it would probably, over time, devolve into a division championship game. Also, in the conference’s thinking, an Ohio State-Michigan “divisional championship” game might take the luster off the cash cow they hope the conference championship game will be for them. Bleacher Fan definitely made compelling arguments for and against his position.

Loyal Homer, true to his character, believes the Big Ten made the right decision in splitting its major rivals across divisions. He is a fan of the SEC model where care seems to have been taken to split nationally significant rivalries across divisions. He confirms the point inadvertently made by Bleacher Fan that putting your rivals in the same division can lead to a lackluster conference championship game, at least from a national standpoint. While this may seem like an insignificant issue to the fan bases of the two rival teams, in the grand scheme of conference alignment it may be the most important issue. He correctly points out that the Big XII championship game, in the eyes of many, is played in October between Texas and Oklahoma rather than in December.

This is a tough verdict. Honestly, I am not sure I like a lot of the consequences of conference realignment and I see and understand both arguments here. However, Loyal Homer wins the argument because history has dictated Ohio State and Michigan are often the two best teams in the Big Ten. If they can eliminate each other before the championship game, is there really any point to having a championship game at all? Congrats, Loyal Homer, and enjoy your prize – a pair of Denard Robinson’s shoelaces!

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The Toughest NCAAF Conference Debate… Big Ten Competition

August 25, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Optimist Prime and Loyal Homer.

It is a knee jerk reaction. It is so easy. If the question is about college football, the answer must be “SEC,” right? If ESPN is right (and why wouldn’t ESPN be correct?), then the SEC is always the toughest. Always. It has the last few national champions within the conference. It owns a path to the Downtown Athletic Club, with many SEC players taking home the coveted trophy.

But, let’s pretend that the SEC isn’t the greatest thing ever. Just for a moment. Alabama is rebuilding a defense. Florida is rebuilding an offense, a defense, and the absence of a superstar. Tennessee and Vanderbilt are changing coaches. Georgia has struggled and that was before replacing the starting quarterback and half of the defense. Auburn’s Gene Chizik has proven to be a good recruiter, but the jury is still out on his coaching. Arkansas’ Ryan Mallet is an early Heisman candidate, but that does not mean the team is good. And Les Miles… well Les Miles better get the Tigers moving in the right direction again or he’ll wish the Michigan job was still open. Right now, the SEC is just another conference with good teams – and a lot that needs to be improved.

Not to mention the problem with players getting arrested, head coach turnover, and pesky but warranted NCAA investigations.

The message is clear – the SEC is a good football conference, but it is not infallible. In fact, it’s not even the toughest conference this season. There is a conference that is currently stacked with potentially great teams at the top and plenty of depth.

We all know Ohio State is an excellent team turning most of its top players, including key defenders and a potentially amazing quarterback in Terrelle Pryor. The overlooked element in the entire Big Ten right now is the return of a large percentage of defenders who stopped a speedy spread offense from Oregon last season.

Iowa, like Ohio State, is also returning several excellent defenders while Wisconsin is returning the guts of an offense that has the ability to control the line of scrimmage. All three teams play system football, reload every season, and are coming off of a 2009 campaign where each team won ten or more games.

The Big Ten clearly has three premier teams heading in to 2010, and that is before drawing attention to Penn State, and a Michigan State team that boasts a great recruiting class and potentially the number one defender in the conference in linebacker Greg Jones.

The conference also has strong teams that fall somewhere in between elite and mediocre. Northwestern finished with eight wins a season ago after a heart breaking 38-35 loss to Auburn in one of the more exciting bowl games in recent memory.

Of course the Big Ten has bottom feeders, but what conference doesn’t? Indiana, Illinois, and Minnesota are not going to turn any heads. But, Michigan and Purdue are both very unpredictable teams at this point. Both teams could take big steps forward this season. Neither has high expectations, which means a big win or two just makes the overall conference picture even more impressive.

The conference as a whole is playing an excellent non-conference schedule this season as well. Win or lose, the conference is proving that each team is willing to take on a major challenge and strike at the opportunity for greatness. Ohio State takes on Miami, Penn State plays at Alabama, Michigan State takes on Notre Dame, and even Minnesota is taking on a challenge against Southern Cal. The years of predominantly soft scheduling appear to be over in the Big Ten.

The Big Ten also has momentum on its side. After great bowl season last season the conference is adding yet another good team next season in Nebraska.

Not every team in the Big Ten poses a major threat. It’s doubtful that Illinois is going to dominate the league this season. But the combination of talent, strong teams, and stout non-conference schedules will lead to an impressive showing for the Big Ten in 2010. The SEC, most of all, must beware. The Big Ten has a serious case for the toughest conference. No matter what ESPN says.

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The Big East in the BCS Debate – Big East, or Big Least?

July 15, 2009

Read the debate intro, Loyal Homer’s argument that the BCS does not deserve an automatic BCS bowl bid, and Bleacher Fan’s argument that it does.

Well, nothing brings out passion like a nice college football debate, and this debate is no different. Even before the first argument was published, folks were all “atwitter” about whether this was a valid debate topic. When reviewing the Big East’s record from recent seasons, it’s obviously a debate topic.

This is a difficult verdict, because the debaters concentrated on one year, 2008, by which to judge the Big East’s contribution to the BCS and college football. This approach further reinforces the “what have you done for me lately” mentality that plagues American sports culture, and college football fandom. So, for this verdict, I’ll acknowledge recent history, then add in some historical context.

Bleacher Fan brought up last year’s bowl season, claiming that the Big East was impressive because 75 percent of their football schools (six) made bowl games. I completely reject this as a valid metric for two reasons. First, there are 34 – 34!!! – bowl games on the docket for the 2009-2010 season. That means 68 teams need to be “eligible” for bowl games. Plus, even Conference USA had 50 percent of their teams bowl eligible. It is not a stretch to discern that many of the teams who played in bowl games year were not deserving. Second, the ACC had 10 bowl teams last year, and many of the Big East defenders who have commented here and on our Twitter timeline are claiming that the Big East is not as bad as the ACC. However, “they suck, so we can suck to” is not a valid argument.

Last season did not yield many quality non-conference wins for the Big East, either. The only true quality win by anyone in the Big East was South Florida’s win over then-ranked #11 Kansas. A good win. But, compare that to the other top teams in the conference:

  • Cincinnati: The conference champ lost to ACC winner Virginia Tech and #5 ranked Oklahoma, their only two opportunities for quality non-conference wins all season.
  • Pittsburgh: Opened their season with a non-conference loss to Bowling Green and needed four overtimes to defeat a 3-9 Notre Dame team.
  • West Virginia: Their only quality non-conference opportunities were Colorado and East Carolina… both of which they lost.
  • Rutgers: Another Big East bowl eligible team lost to Fresno State, North Carolina (their only quality non-conference opportunities) and even lost to Navy.

Contrast that mess with what a non-automatic BCS bid conference like the Mountain West did. Their champ, Utah, defeated an Oregon State team that the week prior beat #1 in the country Southern Cal, and defeated Alabama – handily – in a BCS bowl game. Ouch to the Big East. Not a good recent record for the conference to make a stand.

But, it can’t all be about 2008… though it’s hard to deny that the Big East is not just following a trend.

Some history. How has the Big East done through the history of the BCS (read: quality non-conference games). Here’s the list since the inception of the BCS in 1998:

  • 1998 Conference Champ: Syracuse (8-3) loses to Florida 31-10 in the Orange Bowl. 0-1
  • 1999 Conference Champ: Virginia Tech (now ACC) (11-0) loses to Florida State 46-29 in the Fiesta Bowl. 0-2
  • 2000 Conference Champ: Miami (now ACC) (10-1) beats Florida 37-20 in the Sugar Bowl. 1-2
  • 2001 Conference Champ: Miami (now ACC) (11-0) beat Nebraska 37-14 in the Rose Bowl. 2-2
  • 2002 Conference Champ: Miami (now ACC) (12-0) loses to Ohio State 31-24 in the Fiesta Bowl. 2-3
  • 2003 Conference Champ: Miami (now ACC) (10-2) beats Florida State 16-14 in the Orange Bowl. 3-3
  • 2004 Conference Champ: Pittsburgh (8-3) loses to Utah 35-7 in the Fiesta Bowl. 3-4
  • 2005 Conference Champ: West Virginia (10-1) beat Georgia 38-35 in the Sugar Bowl. 4-4
  • 2006 Conference Champ: Louisville (11-1) beats Wake Forest 24-13 in the Orange Bowl. 5-4
  • 2007 Conference Champ: West Virginia (10-2) beats Oklahoma 48-28 in the Fiesta Bowl. 6-4
  • 2008 Conference Champ: Cincinnati (11-3) loses to Virginia Tech 20-7 in the Orange Bowl. 6-5

One national championship is pretty good. But, the Big East has never – NEVER – received an at-large BCS bid for one of their teams. To contrast, the Big 10 (seven), SEC (five), Big 12 (four), Independent (three), Pac-10 (two), WAC (two), and Mountain West (two) have all received them. The only other conference with an at-large goose egg is the ACC.

And the overall 6-5 historical record is average, and far below average when considering that three of those wins (including the championship) belong to a program that is no longer in the conference.

The resume is unimpressive from the Big East, both recent history and a deeper dive into the BCS. Is it enough to jettison the conference from the ranks of the BCS automatic qualifiers? Yes. So I must award the victory to…

LOYAL HOMER!!!!!

While Bleacher Fan offered many, many excuses for the Big East, Loyal Homer had one valid point that stood out: Attendance figures are dwindling for Big East football programs. Though a small but steady slide is apparent, recent performances, combined with a poor history against the best competition in college football, has not won fans back. Attendance is important because it translates to the strength –and willingness to travel – in the diehard fan base. Additionally, losing the heart and soul of Big East football tradition to the ACC has completely reversed expectations for Big East football. When Connecticut does well (starting last season 5-0) the collective national voice is “surprised.” There is no team that is expected to dominate year in and year out – a respect requisite in college football.

When the BCS charter expires in 2014, the committee must take a long look at whether the Big East belongs among the ranks of the automatic bids. According to the arguments presented here, they don’t.


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The Big 10 Evolution Debate – The SEC Isn’t the Answer to Everything!

July 2, 2009

Read the debate intro and Loyal Homer’s argument that the Big 10 must add another team.



Sometimes it makes sense to “leave well enough alone.” Just because you CAN change something doesn’t mean you SHOULD (would anyone care for a New Coke?!).

Nowhere in sports is tradition more important than in college football. Whether its Notre Dame players slapping the “Play Like A Champion Today” sign or cadets standing arm-in-arm after the Army-Navy game to sing the respective anthems of their branch of service, these are the moments that link modern-day players and fans with ancestors from more than 100 years ago.

Likewise, there is no conference where tradition is more important than the Big Ten. College football’s oldest conference is home to some of football’s greatest traditions, such as dotting the ‘i’ in the Script Ohio, the Pink Locker Room, and the saying, “Those who stay will be champions.”

The Big Ten also claims some of college football’s biggest and oldest rivalries, such as The Old Oaken Bucket, The Little Brown Jug, and, of course, the greatest rivalry in sports – Ohio State vs. Michigan (also known simply as, “THE Game”).

Adding another team simply to implement a championship game is not needed! First, the addition of a new school would impact scheduling for all the Big Ten schools. Most likely, the conference would be split into two divisions, and each team would have room on their schedule for only two or three non-division opponents. What would that split mean for those rivalries? In a North/South split, would Ohio State play Michigan every year? If an East/West split was adopted, could Penn State play Minnesota for the annual Governor’s Victory Bell? Tradition would suffer.

Loyal Homer speaks to revenue gained, but the Big Ten conference is already the second highest revenue earner (behind the SEC) in college football. They are so successful, in fact, with the current financial formula that the Big Ten boasts three schools among the top 10 in revenue.

Let’s consider other potential sacrifices to tradition that would be made in order to accommodate this new team and championship game:

  • “THE Game” between Ohio State and Michigan is the greatest rivalry for two reasons. First, the passion (read: hatred) shared between the two schools. Second, the game is often for more than just bragging rights. Nearly every year it has conference and national championship implications. Adding a championship game after it would GREATLY diminish the value of the rivalry. It would become “just another game” with no significant impact on the season’s outcome.
  • The ‘best’ team doesn’t ALWAYS win. Consider the Big XII championship game. Some examples: in 2003 #15 Kansas State upset #1 Oklahoma and in 2007 #9 Oklahoma upset #1 Missouri. In the SEC, #13 Georgia upset #3 LSU in 2005. The best team on a particular day is NOT always the best team of the season. If the best team won every game, then every year would result in an undefeated champion… that just doesn’t happen.
  • The possibility of a repeat game exists, rendering the previous game worthless. Consider 2006, when #1 Ohio State played #2 Michigan. Ohio State won and earned a National Championship bid. WHAT IF there was a conference championship game and Ohio State played Michigan AGAIN. IF Michigan beat Ohio State, would they be conference champ just because they won on the right day?

Loyal Homer boasts of Florida’s conference championship performance, claiming it propelled Florida to the national spotlight. The Big Ten (and PAC-10) has managed just fine WITHOUT that exposure. Ohio State has played in three National Championships in the past seven seasons. Michigan won the National Championship in 1997, and USC (albeit not from the Big Ten) has also made two appearances in the past seven years DESPITE lacking a conference championship.

To alter tradition for money would be like changing the lyric to “Take Me Out To The Ballgame” to “Buy me some peanuts and Taco Bell…” because of a new sponsorship deal. Sometimes, generating revenue is not worth the sacrifice of tradition, especially when the current system works.

P.S. The SEC is NOT the best conference, Loyal Homer… it IS the most OVERRATED, though!


The Big 10 Evolution Debate – No Respect Until Another Team and a Championship Game

July 2, 2009

Read the debate intro and Bleacher Fan’s argument that the Big 10 should avoid adding another team.



Before I begin, I just want to say that I, like Sports Geek, am also looking forward to the college football season… or football in general for that matter. Don’t get me wrong, I love baseball. It still remains the national pastime to me. But, it’s tough to beat those fall weekends every year.

On to the debate…

The Big 10… or as I call it, the WEAK 11, most definitely needs a championship game. And to do that, they need to add another team to make it feasible to split the league up into divisions like the ACC, Big 12, and SEC do.

Let’s take a look at the SEC. In my opinion it’s the best conference in college football from top to bottom (right, Bleacher Fan?). I live right in the heart of SEC country. I’m almost exactly in the middle of Athens, Georgia and Gainesville, Florida, so I follow the SEC very closely.

The SEC added a conference championship game back in 1992, with Florida playing Alabama. Since its inception, Florida has played in the game a total of nine times. I think it’s safe to say that the Florida Gators have drastically increased their national profile since 1992. Three national titles (1996, 2006, 2008) go along way toward establishing a following like the one the Gators currently enjoy. Playing in the championship game helped them become a usual suspect when discussing the national championship.

Let’s use the 1996 Florida Gators as an example. Quarterback Danny Wuerffel’s Gators lost at the end of the regular season to rival Florida State 24-21. However, after defeating Alabama (in Gene Stallings‘ last season) 45-30 in the championship game, they were able to get the rematch with the Seminoles thanks to the University of Texas’ upset of Nebraska in the inaugural Big 12 Championship game. Arizona State, which was ranked #2 in the nation at the end of the regular season, was contractually obligated to play in the Rose Bowl (and that is a debate for another day)! Ohio State knocked off Jake Plummer’s Sun Devils (the late Pat Tillman was also on this team), while the Gators absolutely destroyed the Seminoles 52-20 in the Sugar Bowl, thus allowing the Gators to jump all the way to the top of the polls to claim the championship!

Without the conference championship game, it is highly unlikely the Gators would have had a chance to play for the NATIONAL championship.

I also think the Big 10 needs to add another team to restore its national reputation as a powerful conference in football. Fair or not, the whippings Ohio State has taken in the 2006 and 2007 BCS Championship games really put them, and the conference, in a negative light.

Adding another team to the Big 10 also brings in another market to the conference. Yes, the ACC conference championship game hasn’t exactly been a big draw, as Sports Geek noted. But, adding Virginia Tech, Miami – and especially Boston College – has brought more markets to the conference and will also help the conference members recruit new areas. Imagine the Clemson Tigers getting headlines in the local Boston papers for playing the Boston College Eagles.

I really see no downside to adding another team. Are the members of the Big 10 scared of this? They have been coasting by on their cupcake schedules long enough. They need a conference championship game to give them a true test. It’s time they step up so they can be considered one of the elite conferences!


The Big 10 Evolution Debate – Should the Big 10 Add Another Team?

July 2, 2009

Read Loyal Homer’s argument to add another team to the Big 10 and Bleacher Fan’s argument to avoid another team.



Another year of exciting college football is nearly upon us. We’re also just starting to hit the peak of the “the Big 10 should add another team to the conference” season, too. It, like the bowl games, is an annual tradition everyone in the Midwest has come to know and love.

This year’s version of the topic was started by none other than the venerable Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno. In between stories about first-hand encounters with dinosaurs and how he consoled Adam after Eve offered him an apple, he said Division I football’s oldest conference deserves its own time in the spotlight with a championship game to decide who wins the conference, rather than the current system of an imbalanced schedule and a litany of tiebreakers (Penn State litany Lions?).

Of course, one of the bigger issues with this topic is what the heck to call the conference if they do add another team. I have a sneaking suspension it would be completely creative, out of the box thinking. Something fancy like, “Bigger 10” or “Big Dozen.” Marketing geniuses over there.

Truthfully, there are schools willing and able to play in the Big 10 from other Midwestern conferences like the MAC, who boast at least one good team pretty much every year… and even have two automatic bowl bids (but, who doesn’t?). The seemingly perfect option of adding Notre Dame is off the table, according to JoePa (and it’s wise to believe him… or he’ll chase you down as you run off the field like a ref who made a bad call).

Adding another team to the Big 10 does have some obvious advantages. For example, the conference can add a lucrative conference championship game and make some extra cash for the conference as a whole. The Big 10 has always been a television ratings draw, and would probably sell out a championship football game, unlike their counterparts in the ACC (though I’m guessing the 28,000 that attended last year had a great time).

But, of course, this issue is more complicated than just getting a championship game. If only there was a website that offered smart fans the chance to understand both sides of a complex sports issue and forecast how that issue might be logically resolved? WAIT A MINUTE!! Have you heard of The Sports Debates??? That is a great site. Tell your friends.

For today’s debate, our friend the Loyal Homer will argue that the Big 10 must add another member to the conference – no matter who that is – because the upside is too great to ignore. Loyal Homer is an SEC expert, too, so there’s good precedent to cite.

Our other good friend, Bleacher Fan, will argue that the Big 10 must avoid the temptation of adding another team to the conference – no matter who it is – because they simply do not need to do it.

Make a good case, and pay attention to the details – trust me.


The College World Series Debate – The Verdict

June 19, 2009

Read Sports Geek and Loyal Homer’s arguments.



After reading the arguments and many comments on this topic, I came to a realization. There doesn’t seem to be much middle ground when it comes to opinions about the College World Series. You either love it, or you just don’t care.

To Sports Geek’s point, there are fans of the event, like our friend Ryan, who believe that the College World Series actually presents more for a fan to love than March Madness or Bowl Week. He commented that college baseball carries with it an inherent purity that is lacking from some of the more commercially marketed events. In contrast to that, as Loyal Homer argues, there are many out there who feel that the College World Series is lacking something (besides fans).

Unfortunately for Sports Geek, it was that same realization which led me to the conclusion that the winner of this debate is…

LOYAL HOMER!!!!!!

Despite the mass commercialization and often questionable motives wrapped up in college basketball or college football, both carry with them a universal appeal. Even Mrs. Bleacher Fan fills out a March Madness bracket!!! College World Series just does not possess that same allure, as proven by Loyal Homer’s challenge to name the 2 teams who played in the finals of the 2008 CWS. Did you know the answer? I didn’t.

To Sports Geek’s credit, there are definitely moments of excitement and inspiration wrapped up in the CWS. Those moments can lead to some very dramatic games. While I cannot deny the existence of that drama in the CWS, I also have to acknowledge that the same drama exists in any sport or competition. THAT’S what makes competition so great. Whether lacrosse, bowling, or darts… EVERY competitive event presents an opportunity for drama, excitement, and a chance to root for the underdog. The CWS does not solely own that magic.

There are likely many reasons why the CWS is unable to attract a mass fan base. Sports Geek accurately points out that the collegiate basketball and football programs provide a much more transparent avenue into professional athletics. Another comment, posted by our friend 4thquarterpunts, brought up the fact that college baseball fails to appeal to the Midwest and Northeast regions of the United States. With such little participation from conferences such as the Big 10 and schools from NY, Philadelphia, or Boston, a very large and vocal college sports fan base has no vested interest in the event.

Whatever the reason, there is one point which was universally agreed upon – the CWS must answer the question of how it can better appeal to fans. Until then, it will always be third best.


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