The Retirement Legacy Debate – The Verdict

June 12, 2009



After posting my last article, I was convinced that I was ready to call it quits. My run on TSD was a good one: I have won 2 out of 4 courtroom debates, and am a whopping 3-1 on King of the Hills (Thanks again to all my Bleacher Fan brethren!).

Despite that success, I felt tired. However, having taken this time away from TSD since noon yesterday, I realized that I have a lot more left in me, so it gives me GREAT pleasure to announce that I am coming out of retirement to continue debating! Effective immediately, I am declaring myself once again eligible for participation in newest phenomenon that is The Sports Debates!

As my first act of business, I am honored to tell you that I have made a decision regarding the topic of whether or not the manner in which an athlete retires affects their legacy. I’m awarding this ‘W’ to…

Loyal Homer!!!!!

If I’m being completely honest, I came into this debate a little one-sided, actually in favor of Sports Geek. I was pretty convinced before I even heard this debate that a player’s exit from the game would HAVE to influence their legacy. How could a guy like Brett Fah-vruh, who retired from the Green Bay Packers as a hero, EVER be remembered as fondly after his retirement saga?

But, Loyal Homer hit the nail on the head with his argument, an argument I never even considered. When you ask who the greatest basketball player of all time was, the majority of the responses are “Michael Jordan.” When you think about guys like Jordan – or Hank Aaron, or Joe Namath – no one ever talks about how they retired (except maybe as a punch line). I actually had forgotten that Aaron retired as a Milwaukee Brewer!

Sports Geek raised some interesting counterpoints, such as the fact that Jordan’s stats may have been even greater had his career gone uninterrupted. However, thinking about “what might have been” with Jordan’s career does not change the fact that his career is still widely regarded as one of – if not THE – greatest in basketball. Consider Jim Brown or Barry Sanders, arguably two of the greatest running backs in professional football history, and two people who ended their career shockingly early. Both left fans reeling with “what might have been” thoughts running through their heads, but both are still remembered for amazing careers.

Sports Geek’s other counterpoint, the fact that a lesser percentage of people from Favre’s “neck of the woods” want to see him play some more, doesn’t truly address their thoughts regarding his career. Just because the good people of Hattiesburg, Mississippi don’t want to see Favre play another season, that doesn’t mean that they think less of his career.

Whether the decision is a faux retirement, staged only so that you can call your next fight a “comeback” in the hopes of making a little extra money (I’m talking to you, Floyd Mayweather, Jr.), or a refusal to admit you’ve no longer got it, it is what you did on the field that will ultimately be your legacy.

Read Loyal Homer and Sports Geek’s opinion.


The Retirement Legacy Debate – Retire Well or Risk Your Legacy

June 11, 2009



As sports fans, we like our history uncomplicated. We like underdogs. We like happy endings. We don’t like any negativity sprinkled into a result. For example, how many diehard New York Yankees fans would be glad for a win if shortstop Derek Jeter and first baseman Mark Teixieieiiieeieieeieeira were both lost for the year? They wouldn’t. Fans like simple, positive results, and that same truth applies to the legacies of our favorite sports stars as they contemplate retirement. It’s clear that fans think about a player’s career differently depending on how they go about retiring. I have two examples.

First, let’s look at Loyal Homer’s Michael Jordan example. Here’s a legend that had a see-saw battle with retirement, first retiring from basketball on the heels of winning three consecutive NBA titles. Now, this wasn’t a Seinfeldian “we can accomplish nothing more let’s get out while we’re on top” type retirement. No, October 6, 1993 was about Jordan wanting to play professional baseball (apparently only in the minors, thanks to his robust .202 batting average). How do you I remember the exact date? Because my English class stopped what we were doing, and at the behest of the instructor, watched the breaking news press conference live in the middle of the day (thanks, Mrs. Gessler). The second time he retired it was about a situation with management that he was unable to resolve. The THIRD time he retired was about being done playing basketball. I agree with Loyal Homer that Jordan’s statistics with the Wizards weren’t really that bad, and those stats don’t change how we think about Jordan on the court. But, it’s impossible to dismiss these brief retiring stints from Jordan’s history. Moreover, it’s impossible not to think about what MIGHT have been. How much farther out of reach would some of his league-leading stats be if he played each season consecutively? So, did the way Jordan retired affect how we think about his career? Of course.

For the second example, let’s examine our perpetually topical friend, Brett Favre. The first time Favre retired from the Green Bay Packers he was “mentally tired.” The second time he “retired” he decided to skip the tear-filled press conference and just say it from his house in Mississippi. Now he’s contemplating coming out of retirement again, just so he can retire a third time. (Interestingly, Favre’s retirement saga is very similar to his career as a player, with many questioning his decision-making while he was still able to muscle his way in to whatever situation he wanted.) To get some perspective from the source, I placed a call to sports writer Tyler Cleveland of the Hattiesburg American in Mississippi. Cleveland told me that the first time Favre was contemplating ending his retirement his droves of fans in Mississippi were thrilled at the prospect of continuing to watch him play. According to Cleveland, a “vast majority” of people wanted to see him play. Now the feeling from the locals is different. Cleveland puts the sentiment from the diehard local fans Favre has always had in his corner at 50-50. That’s a substantial difference. Has the way Favre is approaching retirement affected how fans think about his legacy and his career? Yep.

This back and forth about retirement remains newsworthy for years to come in part because it can impact the decision-making of their former(ish) organization, too. The longer a player contemplates retirement, the bigger the void in the organization, and the harder it is to recover. The player’s legacy lives in infamy within the organization they decide to leave(ish).

For a retiring player to avoid negatively impacting their legacy they must make the decision to leave the sport in private, publically announce it after they’re certain (but not at a huge worldwide press conference), and be disciplined about sticking to it. It’s not like a player has to quit cold-turkey. Look at the revolving door of ex-players who are cast as an “analyst” or talking head on TV? It seems to me that any respectable player (or Trent Dilfer) that wants a job in TV can get one. There’s always the prospect of coaching, too.

Going back and forth about retiring is human. It’s natural. It doesn’t completely destroy a legacy, either. But, does indecision impact how a career is thought about? Sure. Indecision about playing or retiring is an unavoidable footnote that gets branded onto a player’s history – and a fan’s memory – for all eternity.

Read Loyal Homer and the debate intro.


The Retirement Legacy Debate – History’s Long Look

June 11, 2009



Close your eyes. Visualize watching some of your favorite players growing up. Try to remember reading and hearing about some of sports’ greatest players. Now, I’ll mention some all time greats, and we’ll see if you can tell me what uniform they were wearing when they retired.

Hank Aaron

Up until Barry Bonds came along, he was the all-time home run leader. He played most of his career with the Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves. (The Milwaukee Braves moved to Atlanta in 1966.) But, what team was he playing for when he retired? Would you have guessed the Milwaukee Brewers? Aaron finished up his career in 1976 as a Brewer with 10 home runs and a rather paltry .229 batting average. Hardly Hall of Fame numbers if you average that over a career. But, when you think of Hank Aaron, you think of the Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves Hank Aaron, don’t you? Did his time as a Brewer ruin his impression?

Joe Namath

The man known as “Broadway Joe” or “Joe Willie” is perhaps best known for starring in Super Bowl III as his underdog New York Jets upset the heavily favored Baltimore Colts. He famously guaranteed victory in the days leading up to the game and it defined his career. Take that game away and his legacy wouldn’t be nearly what it is today. Did you know that Namath ended his career playing for the Los Angeles Rams? Did his time as a Ram ruin his legacy and his reputation as Broadway Joe?

Johnny Unitas

Johnny U threw 290 touchdown passes in his career. He made the Pro Bowl 10 times, and won a Super Bowl with the Baltimore Colts. He played in “the greatest game ever played.” When you think of Unitas, you think of the quarterback for the Baltimore Colts. But, would you have guessed he finished up his career with the San Diego Chargers?

Michael Jordan

“His Airness” is arguably the greatest basketball player ever. He won six NBA titles with the Chicago Bulls, with back-to-back-to-back titles on two separate occasions. He retired and came back two different times before finally retiring in 2003. He’s only been retired for six years, but 20 years from now are many people going to remember that he retired with the Washington Wizards?

The answer to all four of the questions involving these four sports icons is NO! No one will remember that they finished their careers with pedestrian numbers playing for different teams. Their legacy was set long before they reached the twilight of their careers. Did they hang around too long? Perhaps. But, the legacies of Hank Aaron, Joe Namath, Johnny Unitas, and Michael Jordan are intact due to their incredible achievements that they accomplished during the peak of their careers.

Read the debate intro and Sports Geek’s opinion.


The Retirement Legacy Debate – Does How A Player Retires Impact Their Legacy?

June 11, 2009



What a terrific career, champ! You’ve accomplished everything you set out to do, and now it’s time to ride off into that glorious sunset. Perhaps a future in broadcasting awaits you, or maybe a chain of car dealerships. But hey, before you go… there’s just ONE more thing you’ve decided to do…

This brings us to our question of the day. (All of us here at the TSD World Headquarters would like to thank Brett Favre for inspiring this one!)

Retirement is never an easy decision to make, especially if you are leaving something that you love, something that defines you, something that you focused on your entire life. Some people go out on a high note… John Elway comes to mind. He retired following his second Super Bowl victory… as the MVP of the game. He knew it was time to walk away. Others don’t leave the game as gracefully. Some players, like our dear friend Brett, just can’t seem to let go. Eventually, each athlete has to face the reality that the game has passed them by and they just can’t do it anymore.

So the question being posed to my esteemed colleagues today is…

Does the manner in which a player retires affect the legacy of their career?

This is not a simple question to answer. Your debaters will have to consider the delicate balance between in-game performance, and post-game actions. Whether it’s hanging on too long, becoming involved in some newsworthy scandal, or a career cut short by injury, Sports Geek and Loyal Homer will be discussing how much a player’s exit from their sport impacts the memory of the way they played the game.

I flipped a coin to determine sides, and decided that I loved it so much that I just couldn’t stop yet, so I flipped it again. Once that was done, I thought I could take just one more crack at it, because I didn’t want to admit that it had come to the end. So, I flipped it one more time, and somehow ended up choking on the coin! After coughing it back up (THANKS Dr. Heimlich!), I just picked sides.

Loyal Homer will argue that a player’s exit strategy does NOT influence their legacy while Sports Geek will argue that a player’s exit strategy DOES influence their legacy.

Before I take my leave, I just want to say thank you to my friends for their help, my fans for their support, and my family for putting up with all my crap! I LOVE YOU ALL!

Read Loyal Homer and Sports Geek’s opinion.


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