The Ranking a Banned Program Debate Verdict

October 4, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan.

The fact that the Southern Cal Trojans are not playing in a bowl game this season is not open for debate. But whether or not that bowl ban should extend into a ban from the rankings as well… now that is a whole different story.

Bleacher Fan and Loyal Homer each examined the issue but found themselves on very different sides.

In his argument Loyal Homer defended his firm belief that a post-season ban should also warrant a ban from the rankings as well. His main hang up with allowing a team, like USC, with a bowl ban to continue to be nationally ranked is that it brings attention and exposure (see a previous debate involving BCS notoriety) to a team that is supposedly being punished. This is a valid point, especially in a society where the media coverage of celebrity misbehaviors often exceeds that of those who are actually doing things right. Despite their violations, USC continues to garner media coverage and will likely stay in the public eye so long as they are nationally ranked.

Loyal Homer, however, failed to address the fact that a school like USC would likely continue to receive a great deal of media coverage because it is a rather large school which has had a national following for quite some time. But his point was made. Maintaining a high profile for schools violating NCAA policy is contradictory and sends the wrong message to the public.

Loyal Homer also called attention to the fact that a banned school’s inclusion in the national ranking system comes at the expense of another school. Southern Cal’s inclusion in the top 25 means that another school which is not on the business end of NCAA punishments is denied a top 25 ranking and the attention and exposure that goes with it. This exposure means a great deal to schools that fight just to become bowl eligible.

Bleacher Fan explained that while the NCAA may have been justified in their actions against USC, a ban from the rankings would be both unnecessary and inappropriate. The thesis of his argument – that a post-season ban should only apply to the post-season – was equally obvious and direct, yet well put. By banning USC from bowls for the next two years the NCAA was not attempting to undermine the competitiveness of their football program during the regular season but rather enact punishments to deter further rules violations.

Furthermore, Bleacher Fan’s assessment that bowls and rankings are independent of each other was dead on. The ranking system is not set up to simply determine bowl selections as much as it is to compare the most competitive football teams in the nation. Unless USC is banned from regular season play, then the program can surely be counted in the latter category.

But what sealed the deal for me in this debate was Bleacher Fan’s argument that banning a team from being ranked undermines the validity of the ranking system, and that the rankings ban would be punishing the wrong people. On both counts he is absolutely right. The ranking system cannot claim true validity if rankings are artificially inflated or deflated because of aspects other than actual football performance. If teams banned from the post-season are winning against other nationally competitive teams they should be credited for it with a high ranking. Imagine, if you will, if a team like Boise State were to take on USC this season. Can you imagine the uproar and backlash if they beat the Trojans but did not see a significant rise in their rank since USC was not bowl bound because of off the field issues? It just wouldn’t make sense.

It would not make sense to punish the current team for the sins of the past. The 2010 USC team was not even high school aged when the violations their team is currently being punished for occurred. It is one thing to take an ethical stand against rules violations but it is another thing entirely to undermine the achievements of a blameless group of players for the transgression of the responsible parties that are no longer present to feel the sting of punishment. This air tight logic is why I’m awarding this victory to the Bleacher Fan.

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The Ranking a Banned Program Debate

October 3, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan.

Earlier this summer the BCS brought the pain when it punished the University of Southern California for its lack of institutional control. As a result of a four year investigation into inappropriate benefits received by USC players, the BCS stripped the school of several scholarships, demanded forfeiture of previous wins, and, among other things, banned the university’s football program from BCS bowls for two years. The punishments doled out as a result of this process got us here at The Sports Debates thinking – “If the Trojans are banned from a BCS bowl game, then should the team not also be banned from the rankings?”

As of this weekend the Trojans were ranked in the top twenty teams, but the question at hand is, “Should USC be ranked at all?” It is not a matter of whether the Trojans are one of the most competitive programs in the nation, but whether they still warrant a ranking because of their bowl ban. No matter how well USC performs or who they beat, they will still not participate in a BCS – or any other – bowl at season’s end.

Which leads us to today’s debate: Should a ban from bowls include a ban from the rankings?

Loyal Homer believes it should. Obviously there is logic supporting this argument, but to win this debate he will have to prove that the team deserves a ranking ban.

Bleacher Fan, on the other hand, believes a bowl ban is not a good idea. He believes that although bowl bans are a punishment it does not actually change how well a team is playing.

Whoever wins this debate will be number one in my book, but their poll ranking may be a different story.

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The Ranking a Banned Program Debate… Post-season Ban Applies Post-Season Only

October 3, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Loyal Homer.

Six years ago, Reggie Bush (while playing at Southern Cal under then-head coach Pete Carroll) violated an NCAA eligibility rule by accepting money from a professional sports agent.

The NCAA unfortunately has a very difficult task when it comes to situations such like this, where the infractions are being addressed several years after they actually took place. The people guilty of committing infractions are no longer under the governing body’s rule. Therefore, there is very little that can be done to hold the actual guilty parties accountable.

While the NCAA does still retain the authority to penalize a program, the NCAA must also be very careful about the way punishments are implemented because the people who will be most greatly affected by the punishment are those currently in the program, who had nothing at all to do with the infractions that took place.

To avoid a situation where the children must pay too greatly for the sins of the parents, the NCAA has stripped away any recognition for what the football program did during the season infractions take place, and has banned the program from participating in post-season football for the two years following the discovery of infractions.

Although I would like to see a more aggressive partnership between the NFL and the NCAA so that guys like Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll don’t get to walk away virtually unscathed (don’t forget, Bush gave back his Heisman Trophy, it wasn’t taken from him), this is actually a very fair and just punishment to be levied on the program.

The institution suffers by missing out on the exposure and profits of playing post-season football, but the impact to the athletes and coaches CURRENTLY within the program will be extremely minimal. They will not get to play in a bowl game for the next couple of years, which is unfortunate, but they will retain every other benefit that comes from playing at a major university.

So, why take the punishment a step further by banning the program from consideration when ranking the top 25 teams in the nation?

Rankings and Bowls are Independent of Each Other

If there were only 25 bowl invitations extended every year, and those 25 invitations were offered to the top 25 teams in the nation, I would completely agree with a ban on ranking to accompany the ban on bowl eligibility. But that is simply not the case.

The national rankings serve as a gauge of which are the best 25 programs in the nation, not the best 25 bowl eligible programs. Last season there were 43 teams that played in bowl games and were not ranked in the top 25. What does USC being considered for a national ranking now have to do at all with bowl eligibility?! Absolutely nothing!

Just because a team is ineligible to play in the post-season does not mean it does not deserve consideration as being one of the best teams in the country.

If Alabama was banned from 2010 bowl eligibility it would not change the fact that it is the best team in the nation right now. Why try to ignore, cover up, or alter that fact by producing a fraudulent ranking written as though Alabama did not exist? It would completely devalue the entire ranking process.

Southern Cal, bowl eligible or not, is going to remain in contention as one of the 25 best football programs in the country. Any attempt to disregard or ignore that fact is pointless.

You Can’t Penalize the Wrong People!

It is important that the current active members of the USC organization are not penalized too harshly for the rule-breaking of the predecessors. But, there is another group that would also be unfairly punished if USC were to be banned from ranking eligibility – opponents.

That’s right. Banning USC from consideration for a national ranking is actually penalizing every single team that USC would play while they were under that ban. Why? Because there is greater prestige associated with playing and potentially beating a ranked team.

Think about what the Washington Huskies accomplished last weekend. Which sounds better – beating USC, the team banned from bowls AND rankings, or beating USC, the team ranked as the 18th best in the nation?

When the BCS rolls around, and a team that beats USC is potentially jockeying for position within the BCS standings, should they not be given full credit for defeating one of the 25 best programs in the nation? It is not their fault (nor is it their concern) that USC is banned from bowl games. But if you take away USC’s ability to be ranked, you essentially rob their opponents of the credit they deserve for competing against one of the best teams in the nation.

A Rankings Ban Adds No Value

What could possibly be gained by stripping a ranking away from USC this season?

Whether they are bowl eligible or not, they are still potentially one of the best football teams in the nation. The ONLY benefit gained by removing the ranking is that the team that is ACTUALLY the 26th best could be artificially bumped into a ranking they did not earn, nor deserve. That minor, arbitrary alteration would come at a far greater cost to USC players today (who were only 13 and 14 years old when Reggie Bush broke the rules) and their opponents (who deserve full credit for beating a major football program).

Taking away USC’s ability to earn a national ranking is the same as banning them from playing at all this season. Their opponents gain nothing by playing them, and their current athletes would have absolutely nothing to show for all of their hard work this season.

They were banned from the POST-season, not the REGULAR season. Let the regular season play out as it should, and when bowl season rolls around USC will serve its punishment accordingly.

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The Ranking a Banned Program Debate… No Post-Season Means No Ranking

October 3, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Bleacher Fan.

Perhaps lost amongst the shuffle of all the other action in college football last weekend was the fact that Washington head football coach Steve Sarkisian knocked off Southern Cal for the second consecutive season. It was an intense battle between Sarkisian and USC head coach Lane Kiffin, two former Trojan assistants. The Trojans came into the game ranked 18th in the Associated Press poll (they are ineligible in the coaches poll). After the loss Saturday night to the Huskies they are no longer ranked. But Babe Ruthless challenged The Sports Debates I to argue about whether or not USC’s current ban from post-season play should also ban a team from being ranked in the AP poll (regardless of how the team has done so far this season and how well the team does the rest of the season). Common sense tells me – and should tell you – yes, a ban should also include a ban from the rankings.

The ultimate goal of college football teams is to play a thirteenth game. Depending on the expectations of a team there are varying degrees of success that come into play. Teams like Duke or Vanderbilt are thrilled to get six wins and become bowl eligible. If a program is 6-6 at a school with national title expectations, just getting to bowl eligibility is unacceptable. Unfortunately for the Trojans and their fans, USC can go 11-1 and not become “bowl eligible.” So why even be ranked? What is the point?

Some may say that in the grand scheme of things, rankings really don’t mean anything, especially after being eliminated from BCS consideration (USC was eliminated from consideration four months ago). But they really do. Rankings get a program exposure. Rankings get a program, coach, and group of players games on television (except Notre Dame, which gets television exposure regardless.) Rankings ensure a team is mentioned on the scrolling scores on sports channels. Rankings generate buzz surrounding a program, and I fully believe rankings play a factor when bowl committees are deciding which teams to invite to their bowls after the season.

All of those reasons are enough to exclude USC from any type of weekly ranking. But what about the 26th ranked team? You know, that team in the “receiving votes category.” That team is going to be eligible to play in a bowl game, assuming it gets the necessary six wins. It should be allowed to promote its ranking as a reward. Southern Cal has not earned that right. It’s no fault of the 2010 team, but there is still no reason to reward it. It’s just part of the university’s punishment for past indiscretions.

The only football game Southern Cal quarterback Matt Barkley and his teammates will be playing in December and January will be on NCAA 2011, probably on Playstation 3 (Editor’s Note: Something Barkley and his teammates likely saved up for and purchased with money from a summer job). That’s all the more reason that USC has no business being under consideration for the AP poll the rest of the season.

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