The NIT Winner or NCAA Tournament Loser Debate… Winning a Losing Game is Still Losing

March 18, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Babe Ruthless and Bleacher Fan.

The NCAA Tournament begins today. On behalf of The Sports Debates, I truly hope you enjoy an event that is madness, and I also hope you manage to find time to do a little work (but not too much) over the next two days. In the meantime, we had an interesting debate yesterday surrounding the NCAA Tournament and the NIT, which actually started Tuesday night, in you missed it. Is it better to have a quick exit in the Big Dance or an extended run in the NIT? Obviously, it’s better for the program overall to make the NCAA Tournament. That falls under the “duh” category. But then wins and losses come into play.

Bleacher Fan gave us a flashback to April of last year when he compared the situations of Wake Forest and Utah to Penn State. The Demon Deacons and the Utes were sitting at the house being couch potatoes with the rest of America while the Nittany Lions were playing for an NIT championship at Madison Square Garden. An analogy was then made to lottery tickets, something that was near and dear to my heart upon the grand event of my 18th birthday.

Babe Ruthless comes right out and calls the NIT the loser’s bracket. Sure, there are some talented teams in the NIT but the majority of the teams with the “fortune” of playing in the NIT aren’t very good. The NIT is second rate and, according to Babe Ruthless, it’s like receiving a “glorified participation trophy.” In a twist, Babe used my introduction to prove his point that teams like Baylor and Notre Dame parlayed strong NIT runs into NCAA tournament berths the following season. The goal was not to get back to the NIT. It was to take it a step further. Basically, Babe feels strongly that it is essentially better to be a loser in a winner’s bracket than a winner in a loser’s bracket.

I, the judge, am awarding this victory to Babe Ruthless. Having been fans of teams that have made it to both the NCAA tournament and the NIT (a.k.a. “Not In Tournament”), I understand the joy of being invited to the dance and the agony of having the bubble popped. I also understand that there is something to be said for making a strong run in the NIT. It gives the seniors more games to play and gives the fans more chances to watch their team in action.

Let me ask you this: Before Bleacher Fan mentioned that Penn State won the NIT last year, did you actually know that? I couldn’t recall it. Yet, I can recall that in last season’s NCAA tournament Cleveland State knocked off Wake Forest. I can also tell you, and I am sure Sports Geek can as well, that tenth seeded Michigan knocked off seventh seeded Clemson in the first round (Editor’s note: Sports Geek does recall that.). While I am sure the loss left a bitter taste in the mouths of all Clemson players, I feel that once they looked back on it they had a better feeling on how their season went… better than they would have if they had made a deep run in the NIT.

I am not convinced a deep run by Virginia Tech or Mississippi State in the NIT this season would erase the disappointment of not being selected for the NCAA, even if they knew going in they would lose in the first round. Congrats to Babe Ruthless!

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The NIT Winner or NCAA Tournament Loser Debate… The NIT is the Losers Bracket

March 17, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Bleacher Fan.

After my first debate here at TSD I remember being frustrated that I lost. Who could blame me? My argument was as compelling as it was entertaining, but nevertheless I lost. I remember bragging that I may have lost the debate, but I had the popular support (as my argument received 62 percent of the vote), but Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan were there to serve me a large slice of humble pie. One of them emailed me saying, “Losing the debate but winning the popular vote is like being the prettiest ugly girl at the dance.” As much as it pains me to say this… they were right. (You might want to bookmark this debate as it will be one of the last times I ever concede that point.) Their words are extremely applicable to today’s debate: Is it better to win a couple of games in the NIT than to lose in the NCAA tournament?

The NIT is the loser’s bracket. I am not saying that there aren’t any talented teams in the NIT, because there are. But for the most part, teams are in the NIT because they were not good enough for one of the real tournament’s spots. Sure, there are exceptions of snubbed schools and good mid-major teams that arguably deserve to be in the Big Dance, but that just proves my point. We cry foul at their exclusion from the NCAA tournament because we feel they don’t belong in the loser’s bracket. The NIT is like competing and winning honorable mention. It is a glorified participation trophy, a consolation prize. And you know who gets consolation prizes, right? Losers. I know that’s tough for people to read out there, but it is true. In sports, like life, there are winners and losers. Experiencing defeat is important in life. It encourages growth and provides motivation for the future.

You know that annoying guy at work. The guy who thinks he is always right, always wants to do everything his way, and cannot take constructive criticism. He is like that for a reason. He is apart of a whole generation out there now entering the work force. Men and women who were told there are no losers in life and we are all the same. He probably never learned to work hard, be disciplined, or work as a team because he was never forced to lose. There was always a certificate of participation or a best effort medal there to remind him he’s perfect just the way he is. But I digress.

Teams that did not make the NCAA tournament failed to reach their goal – winning the national championship. If winning the national championship, as unrealistic as it may seem for some teams, is not their goal, then they are selling themselves short. Decent teams like Cincinnati, Virginia Tech, and UConn were not good enough for the Big Dance. Does that make them losers? Absolutely! But losing should serve as motivation to not only return to the NCAA tournament next year, but to win it as well.

Loyal Homer mentioned in his introduction to this debate that teams like Memphis, Baylor, and Notre Dame have gone from deep runs in the NIT to deep runs in the NCAA Tournament. This only proves my point even more. They were not satisfied with a good performance in a secondary tournament. These teams wanted to win where it mattered most – The Big Dance.

Even high school athletes don’t set out to be second best. No one really wants to play on the junior varsity (JV) team. Real competitors want and strive to play on the varsity level. Why? Because it is the only one that matters. Even if a JV team goes undefeated it’s not really a big deal because JV games are not competitions at the highest level. They are glorified scrimmages, over-hyped exhibitions between practice squads. The same should hold true for college athletes. They should not put too much stock into a tournament of teams excluded from the recognized national championship. Bragging about winning the NIT is akin to bragging that your school has the best JV team in the state.

Finally, let’s compare two schools – UNC (17-16) and Georgia Tech (22-12). The University of North Carolina Tar Heels began the season attempting to defend their national championship, but as the season went on it became clear that they would not be able to do that. In fact, their record was so poor they were not even included in the Big Dance at all. North Carolina not only lost to competitive conference teams like Clemson, Duke, and Georgia Tech, but suffered defeat to mid-major upsets like College of Charleston. Georgia Tech, on the other hand, is playing at an elevated level this season, even defeating one seed Duke during the regular season. The Yellow Jackets figure to make a strong showing in the NCAA tournament. Even if UNC goes on to win the NIT and Georgia Tech only wins two rounds of the NCAA tournament, can the accomplishments of UNC be considered superior? No.

In the end, it all boils down to the level of competition. The NIT by its very nature is less competitive than the NCAA tournament and cannot be compared… that is unless someone is looking for the title of prettiest ugly girl at the dance.

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The NIT Winner or NCAA Tournament Loser Debate… NCAA or NIT?

March 17, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Babe Ruthless and Bleacher Fan.

As we all know, the first round of the NCAA tournament begins tomorrow and employees all across the country will be slacking off at work tomorrow afternoon so they can follow their brackets! There is a good chance I will be “casually” following some of the early games if it is a slow day at work. However, did you also know that last night was the beginning of the NIT tournament? If you didn’t, you missed a very entertaining North Carolina-William & Mary game in which the Tar Heels won while playing at their old gym. They also won despite the fact that William & Mary hit 16 three pointers!!

Obviously, the NCAA tournament is the place every team wants to be at the end of the season. A rigorous season is endured in hopes of getting one of the 65 slots in the NCAA Tournament. You get to play on national TV, which is quite a thrill for some of the kids who play for the automatic qualifiers who do not really get to experience that during the regular season.

While that is true, the NIT also offers a chance for teams like Mississippi State and Virginia Tech – teams that felt they were wronged by not being selected for the Big Dance – to continue playing. The field of 32 is eventually trimmed down to one, with the championship being played at one of the most famous arenas ever, Madison Square Garden. Many teams also use the NIT as a springboard for the following season. A quick look at the results of the past ten seasons and you will see several examples of this. Memphis parlayed three deep runs in the NIT, including an NIT championship in 2002, into a string of strong finishes in the NCAA Tournament. Just last season Baylor and Notre Dame made it to the semifinals of the NIT. Look where they reside this year. Baylor is currently a three seed in the tournament, while Notre Dame is a six seed and is probably a sleeper pick among many of you.

Today’s debate revolves around one central question:

Is it better to win a couple of games in the NIT, or is it better to be a one and done in the NCAA Tournament?

Bleacher Fan will argue that it’s better to win a couple of games in the NIT in the hopes of building continuity for next season while serving as some type of reward for the season just completed. Babe Ruthless will argue that it is much better to make the NCAA Tournament, even if you make a quick exit.

The floor is yours. Let’s see what you got!

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The NIT Winner or NCAA Tournament Loser Debate… It is Better to Win Something Small than to Lose Something Big

March 17, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Babe Ruthless.

Let’s take a trip back in time to April 2, 2009, shall we?

On this date, who would you rather be – Wake Forest (seeded fourth in the NCAA Midwest Region), Utah (seeded fifth in the NCAA Midwest Region), or Penn State (seeded second in the NIT)?

When April 2, 2009 rolled around there were only six teams in all of college basketball that were still alive and competing – the national championship field had been narrowed down to the Final Four, and two teams were still alive in the NIT.

Both Wake Forest and Utah, who had been given the glory of being invited to March Madness, were sitting at home on their couches after being bumped out in the first round, while the “snubbed” Penn State team was getting ready for their NIT championship matchup against Baylor.

There is no question – I would rather be with Penn State!

I understand the excitement and drama around being selected to compete for the National Championship. If this were a debate about whether it is better to be selected for the NCAA Tournament, or instead selected for the NIT, there is no doubt that the NCAA Tournament is the clear preference. But that is not the subject of the debate today.

We are instead asking the question of which is better – NIT success or NCAA Tournament first-round failure. There will invariably be 33 losers after the first round of the NCAA Tournament games are completed, and every single one of those losers would trade places IN A HEARTBEAT with a team that was still alive in the NIT. Why? Because the NIT kids still get to play!

Let me put the question another way. Would you rather own a losing PowerBall lottery ticket, or winning $500 scratch-off ticket? With PowerBall, you had the POTENTIAL to win a better prize, but came away empty handed. With the scratch-off ticket, you may not have had the opportunity to win a prize as impressive as the PowerBall, but you actually have a real prize in your hands that is worth celebrating.

I’ll take the cash!

Penn State, who went on to win the NIT last season, had a more successful postseason than Wake Forest, Utah, and many other so-called favorites who were given the opportunity to compete for a spot in the Final Four. Does that mean the Nittany Lions were happy to have been selected for the NIT instead of March Madness? No, but only a fool would trade their NIT Championship for Utah’s first-round ouster.

When the 2009 season was completed, Penn State had a postseason championship. Wake Forest and Utah did not.

Looking ahead to the 2010 brackets, the University of Illinois serves as another example to illustrate what I am talking about. Would the Illini prefer a shot at the national championship over a shot at the NIT crown? Of course they would. However, if they go on to play deep into the NIT, they will be much happier with their postseason than are the Winthrop Eagles, who last night were defeated by Arkansas Pine-Bluff during the play-in Game of the National Tournament.

By the end of March, the two teams still vying for the NIT crown will have had a more successful postseason than MOST of the teams which played in March Madness. They will have accomplished something worthy of celebration, and would not trade that experience for a first-round loss in the national championship tournament.

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