The Is John Fox Done Debate – Fox Shoulders Too Much Misplaced Blame

November 19, 2009

Read the debate intro and the arguments from Babe Ruthless and Loyal Homer about whether or not Carolina Panthers head coach John Fox should lose his job.



For me, these coaching debates are always the most fun to have. No argument is REALLY ever wrong. It is a misconception that most fans eager to jettison their team’s coach are shortsighted. Rather, sometimes coaches really ARE bad and they need to be let go for the good of the team and organization. Ask Bleacher Fan how he feels about Eric Mangini. But, a warning – the response will not be safe for work.

There are Carolina Panthers fans that truly believe John Fox’s ability to coach and motivate his team are compromised. Babe Ruthless did a wonderful job of bringing together each of those arguments in a very entertaining way. Fans become frustrated with conservative coaches, conservative offense, and misplaced loyalty.

Argument by fan argument, though, the counter-thought proves that John Fox should keep his job, and the debate win is awarded to Loyal Homer.

Conservative coaches are frustrating for fans. But, for coaches it is a smart strategy. It is very hard to get fired as a conservative coach. However, coaches that take risks – even in the name of winning – appear reckless and out of control. They look dumb. John Fox is smart. Conservatism fits a defensive centered team.

It is, however, easier for conservative offensive coordinators to get fired. And, Babe Ruthless is correct that the Panthers’ offense does lack imagination and spark. But, from Babe Ruthless’ argument it appears the Panthers need a new offensive coordinator, not a new head coach.

It is fair to question Fox’s loyalty to quarterback Jake Delhomme. Delhomme’s inconsistency makes Fox’s loyalty frustrating and difficult to understand. But, it is impossible to argue that Fox should be disloyal to Delhomme on one hand and then point out that no good options exist to replace him on the other. Fox is in a difficult spot, sure. But he does not deserve blame for forced loyalty. He certainly should not be fired for it.<br

Also, though John Fox is the most visible leader of the Panthers entire organization, he is not the final decision maker. That responsibility belongs to Marty Hurney, the team’s general manager. Sure Fox consults on important decisions, but he did not design the offensive scheme nor does he call the offensive plays. Therefore it is difficult to hold Fox alone accountable for the obvious failures of the offense. Similarly, it is hard to hold the head coach responsible for the special teams not scoring any touchdowns. That is like blaming the CEO when a low level analyst makes a mistake.

John Fox is wrongly bearing the brunt of questionable front office decision making. As Loyal Homer pointed out, Fox coached a 12-4 team last season that lost to the Arizona Cardinals in the playoffs. The Panthers’ schedule does open the door for a turnaround in the 2009 season, even if the path is not easy. But hey, “nothing sharpens the mind like a hangman’s noose.” Pressure is on now, Coach Fox. Make it happen.

A real question that emerges from this compelling debate is how much slack should a successful coach get? Yes, Fox should be allowed to finish the season and return next season. But, if the team starts 0-4 and fails to win a preseason game again, is he then deemed done and the Panthers need a makeover? Fox has earned the right to fail, and he has not failed yet. Yet.

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The Is John Fox Done Debate – Can the Perpetually Embattled Coach Save His Job?

November 18, 2009

Read the arguments from Babe Ruthless and Loyal Homer about whether or not Carolina Panthers head coach John Fox should lose his job.



In my last debate argument I joked that the NFL stands for the “No Fun League.” Today it stands for “Not For Long” as former Houston Oilers and Atlanta Falcons head coach Jerry Glanville once joked on NFL Films. The statement, though made in the late 1980s, rings true today. Ask Dick Jauron. He woke up yesterday as the Buffalo Bills head coach, and went to bed last night unemployed.

John Fox has endured rumors about his coaching future nonstop since the season began. There were rumors about his demise from the head coaching job in Carolina in 2009 on August 28, September 8, September 13, September 30… plenty in October… and even some in November.

The persistent rumors are as valid as the reasons that fuel them. The Panthers failed to win a preseason game. While we all know preseason does not matter, losing four straight times does build a culture of losing.

But, while Fox’s teams do appear to struggle early in the season, they have an uncanny knack for finishing strong. The 2009 iteration of the Carolina Panthers appear to be no exception. The team, after beginning the season 0-3, has scratched and clawed its way back into the dim light of a murky NFC wild card picture. Despite the bad record, and the seemingly counterproductive efforts from quarterback Jake Delhomme and wide receiver Steve Smith, the team is showing fight.

The Sports Debates exists to settle coaching conundrums like this: Should Carolina Panthers head coach John Fox be dismissed at the end of the 2009 season?

Our newest contributor, Babe Ruthless, will argue that the roller coaster nature of John Fox teams has created fan and player fatigue and the time is right for the coach to move on to another team. Loyal Homer will argue that patience is a virtue and John Fox teams may start slow but they finish strong, and 2009 will be no exception.

Loyal Homer has revealed a bias toward the Atlanta Falcons on many, many occasions. For me, it will be interesting to read Loyal Homer’s defense of a rival coach. Objectivity makes for the best arguments.

Is John Fox, once the hot coaching prospect who was a former defensive coordinator on the 2000 New York Giants Super Bowl team, done in Carolina? Only time, and The Sports Debates, will tell.

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The Is John Fox Done Debate – The Season is Not Lost

November 18, 2009

Read the debate intro and the argument by Babe Ruthless.



Sports Geek’s intro states a curiosity about how objective I can be toward Carolina Panther head coach John Fox, since I show an obvious bias towards the Atlanta Falcons (I might be changing some opinions on that in Friday’s debate). And while I do not particularly care for some of the Panthers’ players – namely Steve Smith and Jake Delhomme – I really do not have a problem with Fox. There are definitely coaches I do not particularly care for, and for objective purposes, I will leave those names out. But Fox is not on that list.

He is, however, definitely taking some heat this season. If you go to Google and type in “john fox” and “hot seat” you will get nearly 10,000 results. We all know the NFL is a “What Have You Done For Me Lately” league. Even in saying that, he should not be on the hot seat and he most definitely should return as head coach of the Panthers in 2010.

Fox, he of the constant gum chewing, enters tomorrow night’s game against the Miami Dolphins with a career record of 67-53. That includes two division titles and a berth in Super Bowl XXXVIII (by the way, that game is one of the most entertaining Super Bowls ever… even SI.com writer Peter King agreed at the time.). Last season’s Panthers team went 12-4 and won the NFC South before being upset by the Arizona Cardinals. This is not 4-12. It is 12-4. It is not as if Fox is coming off of a bad 2008 campaign.

It is true that Carolina is a notorious slow starter almost every year, it seems. Maybe it is because the cold weather months are set up for defensive-minded, physical teams like those under Fox (yes, I can hear you Northerners yelling, “It doesn’t get that cold in Charlotte!” But, I am sure you get my point.). The Panthers began 1-7 in 2004 but rallied to win six of the final eight games and just barely missed the playoffs.

This season, the Panthers are currently 4-5. This is after starting 0-3 and looking terrible early on in the season. However, the Panthers are playing better now, and if you look at the schedule, you realize there is a decent shot at being 7-5 with upcoming games at home against the Dolphins, on the road against the 4-5 Jets, and then back home against the 1-8 Buccaneers. A 7-5 record puts the team back in a favorable position to make the postseason. Granted, the last four games of the schedule are absolutely brutal, as the four teams (Patriots, Vikings, Giants, and Saints) currently have a combined record of 28-8. Ouch! But the opportunity is there.

Fox is a gritty, proven winner. His teams are never flashy and they never seem to be offensive juggernauts. But they are hard-nosed and play a tough, physical brand of football. That is probably influenced by Fox’s days as a defensive coordinator earlier in his coaching career. Panthers’ fans should have patience. I know many fans are calling for a new coach, possibly a big coaching name like Bill Cowher. Cowher, after all, played college ball at North Carolina State and currently lives in Raleigh. But this current season is far from over. At 4-5, the season is not lost. The NFC wild card picture is still very murky and the Panthers are right there in the thick of it.

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The Is John Fox Done Debate – The Cardiac Cats Need A Heart Transplant

November 18, 2009

Read the debate intro and the argument from Loyal Homer about whether or not Carolina Panthers head coach John Fox should lose his job.



During the 2003 season the Carolina Panthers won the NFC South Division, the NFC Championship, and traveled to its first Super Bowl in franchise history. That season the Panthers won seven of the 11 victories in nail biting fashion – with those games decided by three points or less – thus earning the team the moniker “The Cardiac Cats.” Now the team that once seemed like it would be a perennial powerhouse of the NFC seems to have veered off course. The Panthers are quickly becoming one of those teams that must settle for boasting about potential instead of accolades. The Cardiac Cats are in need of a heart transplant – an operation that will bring with it new life to a failing organization. The figuratively defective heart in need of replacement belongs to head coach John Fox.

Fox’s conservative approach is no longer winning games. The Panthers often use a run first offense that wears down defenses in order to open up the big play on a play action pass. They also run a lot of “smoke routes” (short screen passes) to Steve Smith hoping to catch the defense napping or set up a fly route to Smith late in the game. The problem with all of this is that if the average fan can explain the Panther’s offense in two sentences, how well will it do against teams that watch hours of game footage in preparation to defend against it?

NFL teams are constantly bringing new strategies to the field. From the scrambling quarterback to the wild cat formation, ingenuity is apparent around the league. But when was the last time Carolina tried something new? When was the last time they scored off of flea flicker, a halfback pass, or a fake punt? In fact, when was the last time Carolina’s special teams scored? If the answer is, “it has been awhile,” then John Fox is to blame.

Another major flaw with Fox is that he is loyal to a fault. He stands behind his players through the good, the bad, the really bad, and even the ridiculous… yes, I am talking about you, Jake Delhomme. When it comes to Jake Delhomme Fox brings new meaning to the song “Stand by Your Man.” In fact, I would venture to say that Fox’s bromance with Delhomme has shown more undeserved faithfulness to him than most marriages. John Fox’s undying loyalty to his starting quarterback has started to undermine his coaching ability and become a hindrance to the team’s future success.

Who could blame him for liking Delhomme? Delhomme’s rise from bench warmer to prolific passing field general was a feel good story for the ages. The fact that Delhomme seemingly stepped up at the right time and led his team to the Super bowl would make a believer out of most people, but all things change with time. It is like that hot cheerleader you drooled over in high school. Sure, she was smoking hot back in the day, but after 10 years, four husbands, three kids, and two stints in rehab she is not so hot anymore. Jake Delhomme has become that girl.

Jake’s interception woes have revealed a glaring weakness in the Fox regime – loyalty has prohibited the team from having any other options. With Carolina’s rushing game Delhomme does not need to air it out. All that is necessary is maintaining possession of the ball until one of his running backs breaks off a big run. Time and time again Delhomme has proven to be ineffective (e.g. Jake’s five interception games). The problem is not that Fox does not bench Jake, but rather that he CANNOT bench him because he has no other legit options. Fox could have encouraged the team to draft a young quarterback (i.e. Pat White or Josh Freeman) to groom for the future… but he did not. Fox could have implored that the team acquire an experienced free agent quarterback (i.e. Jeff Garcia or Michael Vick) to spark some competition… but he did not. Fox could have forced a trade for quarterback (i.e. Matt Leinart, or Brady Quinn) to mix things up, but he did not. John Fox put all of his proverbial eggs into the ragin’ Cajun’s basket, and now that those eggs are broken. Carolina is left with one nasty looking omelet.

The biggest and most important reason John Fox should no longer coach the Carolina Panthers is that he has mortgaged his team’s future for contemporary relevance. It appears that Fox’s team management skills are akin to the financial management skills of Michael Jackson. (What!? Too soon?)

Fox has developed a team with minimal depth at any position other than running back. His roster can boast of virtually no depth at vital positions. Over the past two off-seasons Fox has traded away the following year’s first round draft pick in order to acquire a target player. Sure, Fox lucked up in landing Jeff Otah in the 2008 draft, but in the 2009 draft Carolina surrendered the team’s 2010 first round pick for second round pick defensive end Everett Brown and fourth round pick Mike Goodson. This move was largely motivated by the fear of replacing a disgruntled Julius Peppers, but these moves weaken the Panthers in the long run. The Panther’s would have been better served by trading Peppers for draft considerations and a serviceable quarterback, but once again Fox missed out on an opportunity to build for the future. The teams’ lack of involvement in the free agency is another testament to the poor leadership of Fox. When a coach becomes this destructive to his teams future, a change must be made.

The Panthers have to face the facts – better options for head coach are out there. Former Super Bowl winning coach Bill Cowher seems ready and willing to take John Fox’s job should it become available. Now it seems that it is more a matter of when, rather than if, the Panthers move in a new direction.

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