The How to Judge a College Player Debate – The Verdict

August 20, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument that performance at the collegiate level is the measure by which college athletes should be rated and evaluated, and Loyal Homer’s argument that the players potential to perform in the NFL is a better standard by which to gauge and evaluate them.



I am going to just cut to the chase. I am giving this debate to Sports Geek.

The key point that Sports Geek makes, which ultimately earned the victory, was the breakdown of the differences between college and professional football. Different strategies apply, and different qualities can be valued in each game. I agree completely with Sports Geek in that regard.

Imagine if Michael Jordan were measured by that standard. He could not make the transition into baseball, but his basketball career is still regarded as legendary. If the standard were to measure people solely based on where they were going, and not what they had accomplished, then Michael Jordan surely would have been considered a substandard player.

Loyal Homer’s argument includes the analogy of interviewing for a job straight out of college, stating that employers hire you for potential. I disagree with that statement, though, because the potential of that prospective employee is still ascertained based upon the grades received in college. Those grades are assigned based on in-class performance, not on future projections.

My grade in Business Statistics was given based on the work I did while in class. A combination of my homework and my test scores were put together to determine my success in that class. I was not graded on how likely I would be to successfully apply that information in the business world. I would have likely failed most of my classes if that were the case!

Loyal Homer’s point is well-taken and not without merit. For many athletes, the ultimate goal is to reach the NFL, and the media is absolutely right to evaluate which of those athletes are most likely to succeed there. There is nothing wrong with evaluating and rating players on their likelihood for success at the next level. High school athletes are scouted to evaluate their chances of success in college, just as college players are evaluated by professional scouts.

That type of predictive analysis should be kept separate from an evaluation of the athlete’s performance in college, though. “Success” is determined on the field.

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The How To Judge A College Player Debate – Preparation for Pro Career Begins Early

August 19, 2009

Read the debate intro, and Sports Geek’s argument that college football athletes should be evaluated by college success.



Football fans often compare and contrast college and professional football. You can argue all day about the passion of each fan base for each school/team. You can argue about the style of football for each level. And, like we are today, you can argue what is the better criterion for evaluating a college player. Is it by the success he experiences while in college, or is it his pro potential?

Does college success guarantee pro success? It most certainly does not. There are many examples to back this up. Quarterback’s Charlie Ward, Danny Wuerffel, Colt Brennan, and any Texas Tech quarterback (sorry Mike Leach, don’t get mad at me) are examples that immediately come to mind. There have been guys who have been successful on a smaller level in college but have starred in the NFL. Brett Favre and Jerry Rice come to mind, as they starred at Southern Miss and Mississippi Valley State, respectively. There have even been guys like former Georgia running back Terrell Davis who did very little in college yet thrived in the NFL for a period of time. I am guessing very few non-UGA fans even remember him playing in Athens.

Bleacher Fan has asked what the best criteria are when evaluating college football players. It is easy to answer that question. You evaluate based on pro potential. The ultimate goal is to get to the next level in anything you do, and that is no different in football. When you are interviewing for a job straight out of college, you are not only presenting your resume but you are also presenting yourself. You are hired not only for your GPA but also by the way you conduct yourself in the interview. Chances are you are hired because the employer sees POTENTIAL in you. They are not going to hire you if they think you will not grow in the position.

It is hard to evaluate players like Brennan and former Red Raider QB Graham Harrell. Brennan passed for over 14,000 yards and 131 touchdowns in three years at Hawaii, but he fell to the sixth round in the 2008 draft mainly because scouts were concerned (and rightly so) that his stats were heavily inflated by a gimmicky pass happy offense that would not work in the NFL. Harrell had a similar problem. He threw for nearly 16,000 yards and 134 touchdowns in his career at Texas Tech. Yet, he also played in a gimmicky offense that lets the quarterback throw the ball 60 times a game. He was not drafted at all. He currently plays for Saskatchewan Roughriders in the CFL. Red Raider coach Mike Leach did not understand why Harrell was not drafted, and someone like Texas A&M quarterback Stephen McGee was, which set off a mini-controversy between Leach and Aggie coach Mike Sherman.

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow has taken a lot of criticism regarding his pro potential due to the fact that he plays in a very unique spread offense at Florida. Time will tell whether or not he can succeed in the NFL. The main difference between him and Brennan and Harrell is that Tebow possesses a physical nature to his game while the other two were somewhat finesse. Contrarily, you have someone like quarterback Mark Sanchez, who played in a pro-style offense at USC and who played under a coach with NFL experience in Pete Carroll.

If the ultimate goal is to see who can put up the best numbers on the field and on Playstation 3, then yes, you evaluate by the stats and what kind of numbers he has in college. If the ultimate goal is to make it to the NFL, then you look at the entire repertoire and decide if the guy is ready for the NFL. That determines true success.

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The How to Judge a College Player Debate – What the Heck Does Pro Potential Have To Do with College Success?

August 19, 2009

Read the debate intro and Loyal Homer’s argument that success for college football athletes is best judged by professional potential.



College and pro football are very different; therefore it is impossible to use professional football potential to judge the success of a college career. The games are different and the players are asked to do different things. It is illogical to use the possible accomplishments of a professional athlete to determine how great of a college career they had. Here are some of the differences between professional and college football that illustrate how ridiculous it is to use pro potential to judge a college career.

While pro football is clinical and precise, college football is more emotional. Both are difficult, however. Professional football is about competition against the best in the game as physical bodies and game smarts evolve with an intense focus. College football is about the heart of competing, keeping emotions in check to stay calm and complete the job no matter what the situation is. Sure, pro football has that element to a degree – but nothing is quite like college football.

Then there is passion, and pressure. College football has boatloads of both, while pro football does not have both in the same way college does. College football has 100-year old rivalries, pro football has teams changing towns if ticket sales lag. In college football every minute of every game counts. Taking a play off could be the difference between the BCS and Champ Sports Bowl, or the Champ Sports Bowl and a seat on the couch on January 1. In professional football, even 1-3 teams make it to the Super Bowl.

It is impossible to use professional potential to adjudicate a college career because college athletes – even the ones that fail to study hard – do have to perform in the classroom for at least three years before they can think about going to the NFL. They have to balance a split focus (unless they attent Auburn or Florida State) and must excel on the field given the pressure from fans, coaches, and teammates. Professional football players have a singular focus – football. There is a substantial difference.

College football has very different offenses that professional football does. An NFL team could never run a triple option offense or a spread offense the way a college team does. But, does that mean the college players who run those offenses, but never have a career in the pros, are undeserving of acclaim in college football? Absoletly not. Former Nebraska quarterback Eric Crouch and former Oklahoma quarterback Jason White never played a down of professional football – does that mean they did not earn their Heisman Trophy? No way, they were great college players. Should the NCAA take away Ron Dayne’s Heisman Trophy and all time career rushing yards record just because he flamed out in the pros? Nope. Here is a whole list of football players who won college awards but never made it in the pros – all of these players have their college football legacy firmly intact despite their lack of fulfilled potential in the NFL. The two types of football simply are not related.

The rules between the two types of football are different, too. College receivers need to have one foot inbounds for a completion, in the pros it is two feet. The hash marks on an NFL field are much closer together, meaning most plays start in the middle of the field and force the defense to cover a lot of ground – not the case in the college game, which often forces offenses to run plays to a very short side of the field and kickers to kick from difficult angles. Overtime is different between the two as well, with college football overtime requiring both ability and stamina while the pros rely on the luck of a coin toss.

The point to outlining these differences is to prove that the games are very different, and using potential performance in one to judge performance in another is unfair and inaccurate. Does Albert Pujols become a better minor league player in retrospect because of the numbers he has compiled as a professional and his fulfilled potential? No. Does LeBron James become a more outstanding high school player because of his incredible professional career? No. More, does a successful college coach mar his legacy by a failed professional coaching attempt? If it does not happen to coaches, why should it happen to players?

It is a matter of expectations. College football is seen by many fans as a feeder system for professional football, rather than what it actually is – a sport completely unto itself. College football is not just a feeder system for the NFL, or the games would not matter as much as they do. Only a handful of college players go on to play professional football.

Here is the 2009 class of College Football Hall of Fame Inductees. Not all of these gentlemen had great professional careers. But, that is no reason to deny them admittance into the college HOF.

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The How to Judge a College Player Debate – What’s the Best Way to Judge a College Football Player’s Success?

August 19, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument that performance at the collegiate level is the measure by which college athletes should be rated and evaluated, and Loyal Homer’s argument that the players potential to perform in the NFL is a better standard by which to gauge and evaluate them.



When the media’s pre-season All-SEC team was announced at the beginning of the month, there was no surprise seeing Tim Tebow’s name. There was some surprise, though, in the fact that he was NOT the name on top of the list. Somehow, there was another player in the SEC who garnered more of the 64 votes than Tebow did (granted, it was only one more vote, but it was enough to cause a buzz!). That person was defensive back Eric Berry of the Tennessee Volunteers.

Berry’s place at the top of the list is not without justification. He was a unanimous All-American last year, and is expected to set a new NCAA record for interception return yards very early in the 2009 season. The surprise lies in the fact that Tim Tebow, a favorite to win the 2009 Heisman Trophy award (which would be his second) and the leader of the reigning national champion Florida Gators, has been a dominant presence in the media since becoming the first player in NCAA history to both rush for AND pass for at least 20 touchdowns in the same year, 2007. He was expected to receive the most votes.

When considering the accomplishments Tebow has already racked up, add to those accomplishments the expectations for Tebow and the Gators this year – I do not think anyone would have disagreed if Tebow was named a unanimous selection. So you can imagine our surprise when he not only fell short of the unanimous vote, but also was not even the top vote getter on the list!

It made us wonder what, exactly, was the criteria these voters were using when they cast their ballots?

There can be little doubt that Tim Tebow is one of the most accomplished players in college football history. He has two national championships, has one Heisman award, and is a favorite this year to add to both of those totals. Eric Berry cannot boast a resume like that. What Berry CAN claim, at least in many media circles, is that he has a greater likelihood to move on and be successful in the professional ranks.

Berry is already considered to be a top prospect for the NFL Draft next year. His head coach at Tennessee, Lane Kiffin, is a former NFL head coach and agrees that Berry will be a very likely success at the next level. For Tim Tebow, on the other hand, expectations are not as high. Many believe that Tebow will move on to the NFL, but few expect him to continue as a successful quarterback once he leaves the college game.

So the question posed to Sports Geek and Loyal Homer today is:

Which is the better criteria by which to evaluate a college player, college success or pro potential?

NCAA Football is generally considered to be a feeder system into the professional ranks. Does that mean that a player’s potential to take the next step should be the key benchmark by which to rate their success? On the other hand, is a players ability to produce and succeed within the college game the better standard, even if that player is not likely to see continued success once they move on to the professional game?

Sports Geek will argue that the better measure is the player’s collegiate resume. While the NCAA football programs are viewed unofficially as a feeder system into the NFL, they are NOT minor league organizations. NCAA football is a separate entity from the NFL, and accomplishments and credentials garnered while in that game should be evaluated on their own merit, not how they would translate into a professional game.

Loyal Homer will argue that a player’s professional potential is the better barometer for evaluating their talent. Athletes at the highest level of college football are expected to move on to the NFL, so that naturally should be the standard by which those players are evaluated and compared against one another. If fans and the media expect those players to move to the next level of the game, then the best method for rating those players is to determine their likelihood of success.

As for me, I’m going to try and answer the question of what happened to Tim Tebow’s shirt?

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