The Federer-Sampras Debate – The Verdict

July 7, 2009

Check back to read Loyal Homer’s argument that Federer is better than Sampras, and Sports Geek’s argument that Sampras is better than Federer.



This was a difficult debate to judge. In fact, it was so difficult that it went back and forth in my head like a tennis match (Ba-dum bump).

On one hand, winning a Grand Slam of any kind implies a quality victory, let alone 15. These are the “elite” tournaments, and they draw the steepest competition around. On the other hand, the caliber of competition from year to year does need to be taken into consideration (somewhat).

While no one at TSD’s World Headquarters doubts the validity of Roger Federer’s accomplishment, the question was to debate whether or not his new record of 15 Grand Slam titles was enough to place him ahead of Pete Sampras in the discussion about the greatest tennis player.

If I were to ask who the greatest basketball player of all time was, most people would say Michael Jordan. Speaking strictly in terms of statistics, though, MJ is not at the top of any lists. It doesn’t matter what the category, somebody has produced more than him. When you think of NBA Championships, for example, he doesn’t even come close to guys like Bill Russell or Sam Jones, who have 11 and 10 rings respectively. In fact, Bill Russell only played in two NBA seasons where he DID NOT win an NBA title.

On that same note, Scottie Pippen has just as many rings as Jordan does… does that mean that Pippen was as great of a player as Jordan?

The answer is no. Simply having a statistic does not immediately qualify you for greatness. Perhaps Magic Johnson, a basketball legend in his own right, put it best when he described Michael Jordan as being “…the greatest player ever, and Bill Russell is the greatest winner ever and will always be.”

Perhaps that is where the distinction lies.

It is not what you win, but how you win it, that qualifies you for greatness.

When you consider the list of names that Pete Sampras has defeated on his way to 14 Grand Slam titles – and then compare those names to those etched in Federer’s resumé – THAT becomes a true litmus test.

When you compare resumés, Sampras dominated for a longer period of time against a pool of considerably greater talent than Federer has faced. The fact that, as Sports Geek points out, Sampras had to claim the ranks of #1 from the hands of other tennis legends in their own right, adds a certain level of credence to the Sampras argument.

Our friend Michael Friedman very accurately points out in his comment that Federer has defeated some very impressive players, including guys like Sampras or Andre Agassi. The difference is that Federer, through no fault of his own, did not compete against these players when they were at the height of their respective games. The one player generally regarded as a legitimate challenge to Federer’s supremacy, Rafael Nadal, actually has a better record in head-to-head play against Federer, which Sports Geek also points out. And, with all due respect to Yevgeni Kafelnikov, he is no Boris Becker.

So, while I am awarding this debate to The Sports Geek, I am in no way closing the book on this argument. As Loyal Homer points out, the number of consecutive semi-final appearances by Federer, along with the fact that he has also won at all four Grand-Slam events, are accomplishments Sampras was never able to claim.

So to paraphrase Magic’s quote, I would right now award the title of greatest player to Pete Sampras, but the title of greatest winner goes to the undisputed champion of tennis Grand Slam tournaments – Roger Federer.

(Now we just have to hope that Sports Geek doesn’t get injured trying to jump the net!)


The Federer-Sampras Debate – Pete Sampras Is Better Than Roger Federer

July 6, 2009

Read the debate intro and Loyal Homer’s argument that Roger Federer is better than Pete Sampras.



Stats are misleading. In fact, that’s the reason why, in my Sports Geek bio, I make it abundantly clear that I am a Sports Geek, not just a stats geek. There is a monumental difference. Comparing the careers of tennis legends Pete Sampras and Roger Federer are a prime example of why stats aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. As the great Yogi Berra said, “There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.”

Sure, Roger Federer just won his 15th Grand Slam tennis title. This is an amazing, monumental achievement (which has berthed some really great future topic ideas, folks). Federer is dominant, routinely making finals as Loyal Homer points out. But, the competition faced by Pete Sampras during the peak of men’s tennis in the 1990s is nothing like the competition faced by Roger Federer now. Federer has one decent opponent, Rafael Nadal.

Nadal is a good player in his own right, and has outplayed Federer in head-to-head matches winning nine of fifteen and five of the last six. That is impressive from Nadal. But, when comparing eras, the opponents Pete Sampras faced on a tournament-to-tournament basis were much tougher than the occasional Federer-Nadal match. Nadal provides Federer’s only true rival, and beats him more than he loses. Sampras faced legends and won.

Legends like Andre Agassi (winner of eight Grand Slam titles). Agassi was ranked #1 in the world for 101 days before Sampras reclaimed the title. As great of a player as Agassi was, Sampras beat him 20 out of 34 times. Jim Courier was another Sampras contemporary and a clay court legend winning two French Opens. Courier held the #1 ranking, as well, for 58 weeks. But, of the 20 times they played, Sampras won 16. Another rival of Sampras’ was Stefan Edberg. He held the #1 rank for 72 straight weeks and won six Grand Slams. Sampras beat him eight of fourteen match ups. Boris Becker (six Grand Slams, Sampras wins 12 of 19 match ups) and Ivan Lendl (eight grand slams, Sampras wins five of eight match ups) are two other greats Sampras beat.

Despite all of that extremely good competition, Sampras still manages to hold the record for most consecutive weeks ranked #1 at 286 weeks.

For argument’s sake, let’s review some statistics. It’s important to make sure this comparison is apples-to-apples… well, as much as possible. Federer has already played in 40 Grand Slams, while Sampras, for a variety of reasons (injuries, mostly), played in only 38 Grand Slams for his entire career. Through 38 Grand Slams Federer had 12 wins to Sampras’ 11 – not that much of a difference, certainly not enough to anoint Federer the King of Tennis.

We must also consider how Sampras and Federer have distinctly different styles, and those differences play into their respective records. Federer’s style highlights his versatility and instinct while Sampras’ style emphasized his power and instinct. This is important because it explains the types of tournaments each player entered. Sampras was not as successful on clay because it neutralizes power. Grass and carpet surfaces favor Sampras’ explosive, powerful serves and forehand. Therefore he entered in – and won – many tournaments on each with seven grass court tournament wins and a whopping 15 tournament wins on carpet. Federer has only two, and has not dominated any one surface like Sampras did.

But, the most important point is that Sampras played some of the best players of ANY era in tennis, and still managed to dominate the competition.

Federer is a great player, but he’ll never match the intensity of the rivalries Sampras faced on a tournament-to-tournament basis. Sampras was always playing against great players in a sport that was peaking, in its prime. Federer’s competitive field is not nearly as rich. It’s true Federer may end up with more Grand Slam titles, but he will not end up with the designation of the Undisputed Greatest Tennis Player of All Time.


The Federer-Sampras Debate – Roger Leaves No Doubt

July 6, 2009

Read the debate intro and Sports Geek’s argument that Sampras is better than Federer.



My hats is off to Andy Roddick for a courageous battle in yesterday’s Wimbledon final. He played an outstanding match, with a powerful forehand and serve. I know he probably woke up this morning thinking he blew the championship, but there’s no reason to think that way. “Hold your head up high Andy!” You showed me a lot in such an exhilarating match. You helped turn “Breakfast at Wimbledon” into “Lunch at Wimbledon.” And, you were very gracious in defeat. I thought you would lose in four sets, but you had Roger Federer on the ropes for much of the match. Congratulations, Andy, and we look forward to seeing what you do at the US Open next month!

Now, on to the debate!

Bleacher Fan poses an interesting question. Who is the greatest tennis player ever? Is it Roger Federer or Pete Sampras? And while I have great respect for Pete and what he did for American tennis in the 1990s, I think this is a relatively easy question.

The answer is Roger Federer.

Yesterday, Federer won his 15th Grand Slam title, breaking the record previously held by Sampras who only held the record for seven years. (I also thought it was a very classy move by Sampras and his beautiful wife, Bridgette, to make to the trip to the All England Club.)

Not only has Federer won 15 Grand Slam titles, but he has won all four of Grand Slams at least once, achieving the career Grand Slam – something only six men have done. As Bleacher Fan said in his intro, Federer has won Wimbledon six times, the French Open once, the Australian Open three times, and the U.S. Open five times. What is even more remarkable than that is the fact that, beginning with Wimbledon in 2004, he has made it to at least the semifinals of a Grand Slam a whopping 21 CONSECUTIVE TIMES!!!!! That proves his dominance, perhaps even more than winning 15 grand slams.

Winning all four Grand Slams is something the great Pete Sampras cannot lay claim to. Pistol Pete was an incredible 7-0 in Wimbledon finals, but he was never able to win a title at the French Open. That’s not unusual for Americans, as Americans always struggle on the clay surface at Roland Garros. American tennis players don’t grow up playing on clay. How many clay surfaces have you seen in your town? I have never played on clay, and I grew up playing tennis (mostly on hard courts).

One other thing to consider in this debate… age. Federer will turn 28 next month. When Sampras won his last Grand Slam at the U.S. Open in 2002, he was 31-years-old. That was his last official tournament as a professional. Let’s say Federer plays until he is 31 (and he has given no indication that he will not). That gives him plenty of time to win more Grand Slams. He could arguably win 20 Grand Slams.

Like I said, I have nothing but respect and love for Sampras. My generation grew up watching the battles between him and Andre Agassi (both the long-haired and no hair version). But, what Federer has done is amazing and he deserves to be called the greatest tennis player of all the time.

Loyal Homer can’t wait to see what you do at the U.S. Open, Roger!


The Federer-Sampras Debate – I’m Not the Greatest, I’m the Double-Greatest

July 6, 2009

Check back to read Loyal Homer’s argument that Federer is better than Sampras, and Sports Geek’s argument that Sampras is better than Federer.



3 Australian Open Titles (’04, ’06, and ’07)
1 French Open Titles (’09)
6 Wimbledon Titles (’03, ’04, ’05, ’06, ’07, and ’09)
5 US Open Titles (’04, ’05, ’06, ’07, and ’08)

The numbers speak for themselves. There can be no disputing Roger Federer’s place in history as one of the greats of tennis. But, is he the greatest?

Sunday at Wimbledon, Roger Federer claimed his 15th Grand Slam title, surpassing Pete Sampras’ total of 14 and officially claiming the record of “most Grand-Slam victories” for the history of tennis. Added to that amazing accomplishment was the manner in which Federer claimed the title. In what can only be described as an instant classic, it took Federer 30 games (that’s right, I said 30!!!!) in the fifth set to FINALLY defeat American Andy Roddick by a score of 16-14.

It is a match that will be remembered as one of the greatest of all time, and it immediately brought to mind the Muhammad Ali quote which became the title quote for this article.

But is it enough?

Many consider Muhammad Ali to be the greatest boxer of all time. That doesn’t stop the speculation, though, of whether or not Mike Tyson would have beaten him had both been in boxing at their prime. Likewise, people often speculate how Tiger Woods would fare against Jack Nicklaus, Byron Nelson, Arnold Palmer, or other ‘greats’ of golf’s past.

In much the same manner, Roger Federer has officially tossed his name into the hat for consideration as the best tennis player of all time. There is no doubt that 15 Grand Slam titles gives him the right to be considered, but I ask again… is it enough?

Does the fact that Roger Federer has beaten Pete Sampras’ record mean that he is officially a better player than Sampras was?

That sounds like a job for – The Sports Debates!

Loyal Homer will argue that Roger Federer is, in fact, a better player than Pete Sampras was, and is worthy of the title of “Greatest Tennis Player.”

Sports Geek will argue that Federer may be the best tennis player of his era, but still must kneel before the true greats of the court, such as Pete Sampras.

The score is Love-Love… Gentlemen, you may begin!


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