The All Time Greatest Colts Quarterback of Debate Verdict

August 12, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Babe Ruthless and Loyal Homer.

Choosing between Johnny Unitas and Peyton Manning is no easy task!

I had hoped to get in touch with Rabbi Pinto for some counsel in this quandary, but apparently the Rabbi had been called away for some other so-called critical business meeting. Having struck out there, I thought I’d go to Brandon Phillips and Yadier Molina to see if they could help me choose between the two. Unfortunately, they couldn’t agree on a winner either (the conversation got a little heated), and even after their friends got into the debate there was no resolution.

In the end, I was left to the challenge of choosing between the arguments from Loyal Homer and Babe Ruthless on my own. And so I am awarding this verdict to – Babe Ruthless.

Aside from the fact that Manning apparently walks on water during his free time, Babe Ruthless brought up some very important points about Manning’s production that, no matter how Loyal Homer tried to spin it, were irrefutable.

As far as raw production is concerned between Manning and Unitas, I was skeptical of Babe Ruthless’ contention that Manning was better simply because he passed for more yards. Like Loyal Homer, I recognized the fact that Manning, whose entire career has been played in a league where the season spans 16 games, had greater opportunity to pass for more yards. As such, it is only natural that Manning should have greater raw production.

But even after taking into consideration the fact that Unitas played in fewer games each season than Manning, he was still outperformed by Manning on a very consistent basis.

Over his career Unitas averaged for only 190.7 passing yards per game, while Manning averages 261.1 yards per game. Based on those averages, if Unitas DID play in 16 games each season, his career best season still would have only been 3,862 yards… a performance that surpasses only two of Manning’s seasons (one of which was his rookie year).

In arguing on Unitas’ behalf, Loyal Homer points to the fact that Manning has won only one championship, while Unitas has won three. Once more, though, it is important to take into consideration how much the game has changed between the eras in which Unitas and Manning played.

Although Unitas won two additional championships, the context for how those championships were won must be taken into consideration. For Unitas’ championships in 1958 and 1959, they were the result of playing in only one post-season game in a league of only 12 teams.

Compare that reduced league size to the reality of competing for a championship in the NFL today. The league now has 32 teams, and the championship is awarded over a post-season that spans not one, but four weeks.

Consider this fact – in 17 seasons Unitas led his teams to only six post-season appearances while Manning led his teams to ten post-season appearances in a 13-year span. Within those ten post-season appearances, Manning won at least one game four different times. By 1958-1959 standards, where only one post-season game was played, that would equate to four different NFL championships.

That does not change the fact that Unitas was the quarterback of those two championship teams, but it does put into perspective just how great the accomplishment was.

Finally, consider this: before the conclusion of the 2009 Super Bowl, there was talk of Peyton Manning possibly becoming the greatest quarterback, not only in Colts’ history, but in the entire history of the NFL. Granted the Colts lost that Super Bowl game, but one game – no matter what the stage is – is hardly enough to change a person’s legacy from being potentially the greatest of all time to not even being considered the greatest to have ever played for his team. How can Manning be considered as the greatest quarterback of all time if he isn’t even the greatest quarterback to play for his own franchise?

Peyton Manning has had far greater challenges laid in front of him, and he has performed at a correspondingly better level than Johnny Unitas when responding to each of those challenges. He has been recognized as being the Most Valuable Player in the league more times than Unitas, and has produced at a better game-for-game rate.

While Unitas may technically have more championships to his name, Manning’s superior overall performance has earned him the title of the Greatest Colts Quarterback of All Time.

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The All Time Greatest Colts Quarterback Debate

August 10, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Babe Ruthless and Loyal Homer.

Unitas or Manning?

Johnny Unitas led the Colts in Baltimore for 17 years. Peyton Manning is preparing for his 13th season (with no end to his career in Indianapolis in sight).

Unitas is a Hall of Famer, and Manning will be a Hall of Famer. Both are NFL record-holders, as well as championship quarterbacks.

Both will be remembered in history as two of the most dominant quarterbacks of their era, but…

Between Peyton Manning and Johnny Unitas, who was the greatest Colts quarterback of all time?

Johnny Unitas gets Loyal Homer’s vote, while Babe Ruthless believes that Manning has supplanted Unitas as the Colt’s gunslinger extraordinaire.

If you could choose only one to lead your team, which would it be?

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The All Time Greatest Colts Quarterback Debate… The Greatest QB Who Ever Lived

August 10, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Loyal Homer.

Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback that ever lived, and that’s a fact. Well, maybe it’s not a fact, but it’s an opinion based on fact. An opinion I can seriously not overstate. You might ask, “Just how good is Peyton Manning?” I’ll tell you. But brace yourself because the answers may be shocking.

Peyton Manning’s football prowess is so blindingly brilliant that doctors recommend watching him play through a pin hole in a sheet of paper. Mathematicians have declared his passes the only perfect arches that occur in nature. Physicists have even speculated that if he throws a football hard enough in the exact opposite direction of the earth’s rotation he can actually turn back time, like at the end of the Superman movie. In my not so humble opinion, Peyton Manning is the greatest football player in the history of mankind.

Throughout his career he has drawn comparisons to other great quarterbacks, especially Johnny Unitas. Both he and Johnny U have been hugely successful, record setting quarterbacks for the Colts. The comparison comes naturally. Each man is an icon in their own right. But in comparing legacies, Manning stands alone.

Unitas will forever be remembered as a revolutionary of the game. His innovative approach to the passing game paved the way for the stars of today, but he simply cannot measure up to Peyton Manning. In terms of franchise records, there is no doubt that Manning is superior. He owns practically every Colt’s franchise passing record – including passing yards, passing touchdowns, attempts, completions, and completion percentage – an impressive feat considering how high Unitas set the bar. Even more impressive still is the fact that Manning has succeeded in today’s faster, more intense version of professional football. Modern athletes are bigger, faster, and stronger than they were in Unitas’ day. So while Manning would have absolutely owned the 1950s and 1960s, the same cannot necessarily be said of Unitas in the late 20th and early 21st Century.

When it comes to league-wide accolades the two are neck and neck, but Manning still has the edge in a close one. Both quarterbacks have been selected to an impressive ten Pro Bowls. They both have one Super Bowl victory a piece to their credit, but Manning also has the honor of being the Super Bowl MVP. Admittedly, Unitas has a couple of NFL World Championships to his credit, but that’s not 100 percent comparable to the Super Bowl since the AFL and NFL were not yet combined and competing against each other for an undisputed title yet. Unitas did beat out Manning in terms of All-Pro selections with six to Manning’s five, but Manning trumped Unitas in the more prestigious category of AP NFL MVP awards. Manning stands alone with a record four league MVP awards compared to Unitas’ three. While Unitas hangs with Manning almost tit-for-tat in awards, Manning usually seems to win in the bigger, flashier categories.

But the most compelling argument comes in comparing their best years, where Peyton Manning seemingly dwarfs Johnny Unitas. In 1959 Johnny Unitas set a career high scoring 32 touchdowns and compiling 2,899 passing yards. Four years later, in 1963, he established another career benchmark throwing for 3,481 yards and 20 touchdowns. Even combining Unitas’ career high marks together, as if they were accomplished in the same season, his statistics become pedestrian feats when compared to what Peyton Manning does on a routine basis. On three separate occasions – 2000, 2004, and 2009 – Manning eclipsed both single-season highs for Unitas the 32 TDs and the 3,481 yards. There has never been a season in Manning’s career when he threw for fewer yards than Unitas’ best season.

Peyton Manning’s best season came in 2004 when he threw for 4,557 yards and scored a then NFL record 49 TDs. This aerial barrage was a campaign for the ages. Manning’s TD record has only been surpassed by Tom Brady, who scored only one more TD than Manning (50) during the 2007 season. But even Touchdown Tom doesn’t stand up to Manning in the long run. Aside from Brady’s record breaking 2007, he has never eclipsed the 30 TD threshold… something Manning has done five times in his still relatively short career. While this debate isn’t about Brady, it speaks volumes that Manning’s numbers are consistently better than the current NFL record holder.

So when it comes to statistics, just about the only number that Unitas has that is greater than Manning is the one on his Jersey, where Manning wears 18 but Unitas donned 19). But, if you look at it in golf terms, not surprisingly Manning wins again.

In the intro to this debate Bleacher Fan asked who we would choose to lead our team. Undoubtedly it’s Manning. The guy has not only broken Unitas’ franchise record, he has set NFL milestones. He puts up stat lines that would be career years for most quarterbacks, past and present, nearly every season. He also does it with charisma. Peyton Manning is surely the greatest Colt’s quarterback of all time.

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The All Time Greatest Colts Quarterback Debate… Johnny U Reigns Supreme

August 10, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Babe Ruthless.

Bleacher Fan has asked the Babe and I to determine who the greatest Colts quarterback of all time is. I know the easy answer, especially for you young lads, is Peyton Manning. It’s quite obvious Babe Ruthless has a serious man crush on Manning (he’s approaching Tom Izzo-Sports Geek status with that relationship). Peyton has obviously racked himself up quite a career to this point and he’s still got a little bit left in the tank. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed watching him in college and the NFL. It’s hard to root against the guy. But, with no disrespect intended toward Manning, I’m think Johnny Unitas is the greatest Colts quarterback ever.

If you ask the fathers of any of our writers here at TSD they would probably go on and on about how great “Johnny U” was. I know I’ve heard my dad mention his name on several occasions when he discusses NFL lore. I bet your dads have mentioned him as well, and with good reason. Back then he was the star of the league, probably more so than Manning is today since Manning has to compete for attention with the likes of Tom Brady, Brett Favre, and the seemingly constant infatuation with the Dallas Cowboys.

Babe Ruthless likes to talk about the fact that Manning’s individual passing numbers are consistently better each year than those put up by Unitas. But while considering those numbers, it’s important to note that Unitas never had the opportunity to play in a regular season with 16 games. The NFL didn’t expand the season to 16 games until 1978. Actually, Unitas played only 12 games per season in his first few seasons. The schedule wasn’t extended to 14 games until 1960. Yet, Unitas began playing in 1956, where he had three of his six first team All-Pro selections in the 1950s. You do the math on that.

It’s often said that both Unitas and Manning have one Super Bowl at this point, and that’s certainly true. But, before the Super Bowl era began in 1966 Unitas won two NFL World Championships, in 1958 and 1959. He also was the winning quarterback in the “greatest game ever played,” and helped build the legacy of future Hall of Fame coach Don Shula. All of that has to count for something, right?

Old school Colts fans like to say that today’s quarterbacks get more protection from their offensive line and from the officials as well. I think we can all agree there is probably a great deal more emphasis put on protecting the quarterback in the modern era than it was back when Unitas was under center. But that didn’t stop Johnny U from throwing touchdown passes in 47 consecutive games, a record that still stands today. Meanwhile, Manning, still in the prime of his career, had three games last season where he didn’t throw a single touchdown pass.

The legacy of the stars of yesteryear seems to grow as time goes on, and as more and more stories are told by fathers to children and grandchildren. Perhaps in thirty years we’ll be telling stories about Manning to our children. But as it stands now, Johnny U remains the greatest quarterback in Colts history.

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