The Best NFL HOF Class of All Time Debate… Walsh, Noll, and Payton Clinch the Best Class

August 13, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Bleacher Fan and Loyal Homer.

This debate almost seems ridiculous. I mean, how can you possibly narrow down the best overall class in the history of the NFL Hall of Fame? Just thinking about this made my head want to explode. So, I dug down deep and determined that history – history not just of the players, but of the development of the league overall – had to play a major role in the best class ever.

Two comments of caution before I give the full blown reasoning for why 1993 blows away the Hall of Fame competition.

The preeminent, in-your-face mantra that sports media hits us all in the face with day in and day out is “what have you done for me lately.” It is precisely that faulty reasoning that entraps my two esteemed competitors today. Recent classes lack the context of history that helps bring accomplishments and overall impact into focus.

My second word of caution when evaluating a great Hall of Fame class? Fight the urge to simply reward good players, or even great players. Sure, they deserve recognition and Hall of Fame status. But, did they do anything to the game of football that left a lasting impact, besides a smattering of personal accomplishments and records? Did they help shape the modern game? Good Hall of Fame classes are comprised of solid players with the right list of accomplishments to warrant a bronze bust. Great classes – the best class ever – must do something over the top, something greater than personal accomplishments.

With those two cautionary comments in mind, I submit only one choice for the best NFL Hall of Fame class ever –1993.

One reason why this class sticks out is that it only had five inductees. Folks, less is more when it comes to Hall of Fame inductees. Quality beats quantity everyday.

This class had boatloads of quality. First, quarterback Dan Fouts, one of the two great quarterbacks the league has ever seen that also failed to win a title. Next was legendary guard Larry Little, one of the greatest stories in the Hall of Fame considering he was undrafted out of Bethune-Cookman College. He was a member of some of the great Dolphins teams of the 1970s as well.

But, while those players are both nice stories, they pale in comparison to the 1993’s final three inductees.

My affection and admiration for Walter Payton has been chronicled before at The Sports Debates. In fact, I believe him to be the greatest running back of all time. He accomplished more in less time – with an unmatched toughness and grace – than any other running back in the history of the league. And, if you got back and look at the stats from a past debate, our most loyal readers overwhelmingly agree with me. Payton changed the perception of the running back position. Payton was tougher and more versatile than his predecessors, and his lasting impact on the game is still felt today. The idea that running backs have to be great pass catchers and great runners is part of our professional football understanding now because of the standard Payton set.

The fourth member of the class is Chuck Noll. If you don’t know much about Noll, learn. Noll rightly gets a great deal of credit for racial integration in the NFL as the head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He made Joe Gilliam, and African-American, one of the league’s first black starting quarterbacks. Noll put another African-American in at starting running back, a guy named Franco Harris, who won the 1975 Super Bowl MVP. Noll helped shape the career of Tony Dungy, who played for the master coach and also was part of his staff for many years, including a position as a defensive coordinator. Noll was not only a great coach who won four Super Bowls and 209 career games, he left an impressive mark on the game by spearheading its inclusiveness, helping to shape the game we all enjoy today.

The final member of the class is Bill Walsh. Some sports fans know Walsh as the mastermind of the San Francisco 49ers teams that won three Super Bowls. That alone is enough for a Hall of Fame bust. But while Noll’s legacy has faded into the background of a fast evolving modern society, Walsh’s impact on the game is still seen every Sunday by any team running the famed West Coast Offense (yes, it has its own Web site). That’s right – Walsh invented the offense that has confounded defensive coordinators for decades. Well, perhaps he did not invent it. He perfected it, though, as a student of the inventor of modern professional football, Paul Brown.

If that legacy is not enough, consider the coaching tree he has left behind. Twelve current NFL coaches are linked back to Walsh. And the list of 12 current coaches does not include guys like Mike Holmgren, Sam Wyche, Dennis Green, Mike Tice, Brian Billick, Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, Steve Mariucci, and many more. Walsh’s impact on the game is, in many respects, even larger than that of his teacher. Not only did he perfect a now dominant offense and achieve personal accolades, he also trained the majority of minds that are still positively impacting professional football today. No other Hall of Famer has the credentials Walsh has.

While Walsh alone is enough to give the 1993 class the nod of superiority, adding in Noll, Payton along with Fouts and Little makes this the highest quality, most well rounded NFL Hall of Fame class in its history.
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The Best NFL HOF Class of All Time Debate… Out With the Old, In With the New

August 13, 2010

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Officially is has only been six days, but in that short time the most recent inductees have already stolen the title of the greatest class ever to enter the Professional Football Hall of Fame.

The class of 2010 includes a hog, a franchise, a dome patrolman, a motor mouth, a defensive genius, and is capped off by the league’s all time leading rusher and receiver. But before we get to the accomplishments of the group’s headliners, let’s take a look at the contributions of its supporting cast.

On the defensive side of the ball, John Randle, Rickey Jackson, and Dick LeBeau wreaked havoc on the field.

In their respective careers, Randle and Jackson combined for 265 quarterback sacks (they rank seventh and tenth respectively on the all-time career sack list). To put that into context, that two-man sack total is more than the entire Jacksonville Jaguars defense could record in the last eight seasons combined (the Jags amassed only 259 sacks as a team since the 2002 season).

While Randle and Jackson were legendary for their play in opposing offenses’ backfields, it was LeBeau’s presence in the defensive secondary that set him apart. Despite the fact that he retired more than 35 years ago, he still claims the eighth most career interceptions in NFL history, with 62 picks to his credit. But, as impressive as that statistic is, it is not the legacy that LeBeau leaves.

LeBeau’s greatest contribution to the NFL was the invention of the Zone Blitz (that’s right, he invented it).

As for the offensive side of things, Russ Grimm was the key player in one of the greatest offensive lines of all time – the Washington Redskins legendary “Hogs” line. Along with his fellow linemen, Grimm helped lead his team to three Super Bowl championships during the 1980s and 1990s.

Then there is Floyd Little, a player that the entire city of Denver should be thanking DAILY. If not for Little, the Broncos would likely have packed up and left town decades ago. Instead, Little helped bring the Broncos back to relevance, and although he played nine seasons for a struggling franchise that never reached a single playoff game during his career, Little managed to earn five different Pro Bowl selections and became the first player ever to lead the league in rushing while playing for a losing team.

While that group of five players is strong enough on its own to stake a claim among some of the greatest classes ever to enter the Hall, this year it is actually the B-side of the 2010 class.

What propels the 2010 class of Hall of Fame inductees into the status of being the greatest class ever is the fact that they are led by Emmitt Smith and Jerry Rice, the most accomplished running back and wide receiver in the history of the league.

Smith and Rice own just about every rushing or receiving record in the league. They have won a collective six Super Bowl championships, 21 Pro Bowl invitations, and both have earned Super Bowl MVP recognition.

From a production standpoint, Rice has caught more passes for more yards and more touchdowns than any player to put on an NFL uniform. Smith owns the same credentials, having rushed more times for more yards and more touchdowns than any player in the history of the NFL.

Emmitt Smith ranks second all-time in total touchdowns scored and total yards from scrimmage. Do you know who the one man is that he sits behind on both those lists? Jerry Rice.

Over the course of their respective careers Smith and Rice combined for a total of 45,119 offensive yards and scored a combined 383 touchdowns. By comparison, that is more production from two men than the combined total of the seven most productive offensive TEAMS in the league last season (New Orleans, Dallas, New England, Houston, Minnesota, Green Bay, and Pittsburgh).

Rice and Smith serve as the icing on the cake for this class of Hall of Fame enshrinees.

On both sides of the ball, and now on the sidelines, the contributions of these seven newest HOFers to the NFL are unsurpassed. Their contributions do not just influence the outcome of the games they played in, but instead influenced the entire NFL. From top to bottom this newest batch of legends comprises the greatest single collection of players ever to be inducted into Canton at one time.

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The Best NFL HOF Class of All Time Debate… Class of 2006 Personifies Greatness

August 13, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Bleacher Fan and Sports Geek.

Last weekend a new class was enshrined at the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio. I don’t recall a HOF class being as heavily hyped as this one, and much at that revolves around Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith. For more love on that class, read Bleacher Fan’s article. And if you’re a little old school and grew up watching the NFL in the early 1990s, you might enjoy Sports Geek’s article today. But aside from the courtesy plugs, there’s no way those classes are better than the class of 2006, which includes a three-time Super Bowl winning quarterback, a legendary coach and announcer, and one of the greatest defensive players ever.

Everyone knows the credentials of Troy Aikman. He, along with other Hall of Famers Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin, was the centerpiece of the Dallas Cowboys in the 1990s. He ended with over 32,000 passing yards and 165 passing touchdowns and was a six time Pro Bowl selection. He helped lead the resurgence of Dallas Cowboys’ football. Being in Dallas, he played for a polarizing team that most fans either loved or hated. Like my perceptions of Emmitt Smith, I never had issues with Aikman.

Most of my generation knows John Madden as a former television commentator, a video game namesake, and a pitchman for Tough Actin’ Tinactin. He’s also managed to indirectly provide material for guys like Frank Caliendo. But where Madden made his name was as coach of the Oakland Raiders. He quickly built a winner working under Al Davis, and that says a lot. Counting the playoffs, he has an overall record of 112-39-7, including winning Super Bowl XI in 1977. He also never had a losing season as a head coach. I often wondered why he only coached ten years in the league and never gave it another shot after retiring from the Raiders. But he certainly continued to make his mark on the league after retiring from coaching.

Reggie White, the Minister of Defense, was one of the more dominant players of his time. Thirteen Pro Bowls and ten All-Pro selections are amazing credentials to me for someone who played such a physical position, defensive end. He made both the 1980 and 1990 All-Decade Teams, which is also really impressive. He ended his career with 198.5 sacks in his career, and was, along with Brett Favre, the face of a Super Bowl winning team.

One guy who is often overlooked in this class is Warren Moon. Looking back, Moon put up some outstanding numbers, first in the CFL for six seasons and then in the NFL for seventeen seasons. Combined, Moon threw for almost 70,000 yards and 435 touchdowns. Just from watching the latter part of his career it is evident that he was vastly underrated by the casual fan. His era was dominated by names like Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and John Elway. But Moon’s numbers compare favorably, at least on an individual basis. He also remains the only modern African American quarterback in the Hall of Fame.

Those guys, along with long-time Giants linebacker Harry Carson and former Cowboys offensive tackle Rayfield Wright, make the class of 2006 the best class ever. You’ve got two quarterbacks, an offensive tackle, a defensive end, a linebacker, and a coach who needs no introduction. I’d say that’s a pretty good team.

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The Tiger Woods Ryder Cup Debate Verdict

August 13, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Sports Geek and Optimist Prime.

What a fascinating debate we had involving Tiger Woods, arguably the world’s most recognizable athlete, and the Ryder Cup. The Ryder Cup is one of my favorite sporting events to watch, and it’s taken on some added hype this year. Should Tiger Woods play on this year’s team? That’s the question I posed to Optimist Prime and Sports Geek, and with all that has happened with Woods this year (or hasn’t happened… on the golf course), it’s a valid question. It’s often forgotten that before that November night, 2010 was supposed to be the “Year of the Tiger,” and the year that he really closed in on Jack Nicklaus’ record 18 majors. That’s because three of the four majors were going to be played at venues at which he had won in the past (Augusta National, Pebble Beach, St. Andrews).

There’s no question that Tiger Woods, when on his game and when at peace with himself, is the best golfer in the game today… and perhaps ever. But he hasn’t even remotely approached that status for much of 2010. Outside of his top four finishes at the Masters and the U.S. Open, his highest finish at a tournament this year is tied for 19th at the Memorial. His current standing on the 2010 money list is 85th, four spots behind Ryder Cup captain Corey Pavin. Sports Geek does a good job of highlighting the struggles of Eldrick Woods and those struggles are highlighted by the fact that he doesn’t practice like he used to. He recently was blasted by the British media prior to the Open Championship because he flew cross country between practice and the Open Championship so he could spend time with his kids. That’s tough, but that is the corner he has painted himself into.

As Sports Geek wrote, Tiger has worked with a new coach this week. It produced a mixed bag of results yesterday, as he finished with a 71 in the first round of the PGA Championship. That currently has him tied for 24th place. Fixing a golf swing and problems inside a golf game doesn’t happen overnight. All of us novice golfers realize that. It takes practice and more practice. It just won’t happen overnight.

However, I am awarding Optimist Prime the victory because of a point that that I really had not thought of. Obviously, the Ryder Cup is a team event, which makes it unique from any other event on Tour. A team event in an individual sport brings all types of challenges into the fold. A normal week on Tour consists of a player playing a round a golf, doing some work on the range, and then going back to the hotel and ordering room service, especially when the family is not on the road that particular week. For Ryder Cup week, it’s different. It’s “All for One” and “One For All.” Where else are you going to get Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods, long rumored to have a chilly relationship, bonding over games of ping-pong? Everyone gets along and puts their ego aside, even if it’s just for a week. I can assure you that no one is playing ping pong this week.

That peaceful frame of mind would surely relax him on the course. He would have no time to go home and think about what might have been. He’d be spending time “with the guys” as he likes to say. He’d be Happy Tiger. And Happy Tiger is good for Team U.S.A., and bad for Team Europe. With the way the European team is rounding into form, Team U.S.A. is going to need all the help it can get. All things considered, as an avid American golf fan, I want twelve guys on the American team who give Team U.S.A. the best chance to win the overall competition. Tiger Woods, even not at peak form, still brings more to the table than most of the other options that would be available to Captain Pavin if Woods doesn’t make the team automatically. So yes, Tiger Woods belongs on the Ryder Cup team.

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The Tiger Woods Ryder Cup Debate

August 12, 2010

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The PGA Championship begins today at Whistling Straits in Kohler, Wisconsin. It’s the last chance in 2010 for guys like Tiger Woods to join Phil Mickelson, Graeme McDowell, and Louis Oosthuizen as Major tournament winners for the year.

It’s been a disastrous year for Eldrick Woods. He’s participated in nine tournaments this year and has yet to win, and outside of two T-4’s at the Masters and The U.S. Open, he has yet to be in contention. He’s coming off an absolutely dreadful performance at the WGC Bridgestone-Invitational last weekend where he finished T-78 with a nasty-looking 18 over par. He’s still the number one ranked player in the world, but that has more to do with how the Official World Golf Rankings are calculated than how he is actually playing at this point.

Much of the talk this week has centered around the upcoming Ryder Cup and whether or not Woods deserves a spot on the team. He currently sits 10th in the Ryder Cup standings, with the top eight earning automatic spots on the team. The final four spots on the team will be chosen by captain Corey Pavin. Golf Channel reporter Jim Gray reported Tuesday that Pavin told him Woods was guaranteed a spot on the team. Pavin denied that report and publicly confronted Gray yesterday. All of this means that this is a hot button issue that, in some ways, overshadows “Glory’s Last Shot” this weekend.

We’re getting in on the fun as well here at The Sports Debates. What better way to introduce the newest member of our team, Optimist Prime. The question being tackled today is: “Should Tiger Woods be on the Ryder Cup team given the way he has performed this season?”

Optimist Prime will argue that Tiger should most definitely be on the team given his experience. Sports Geek, however, will argue that Tiger does not deserve to be on the team because he hasn’t played well enough to earn the spot.

The pins are set. Now, fire at the flag and make some birdies!

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The Tiger Woods Ryder Cup Debate…Greatness Isn’t Temporary

August 12, 2010

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Corey Pavin, the captain of the American Ryder Cup team, is charged with selecting four captain’s picks that will combine with the eight automatic qualifiers to comprise the 2010 U.S. Ryder Cup team. If Tiger Woods finishes outside the top 16 this weekend, he will not be one of the eight automatic qualifiers and that would leave Pavin with a decision to make. For me, though, the decision seems simple. If you are picking a team, don’t you want the best player in the sport on your team?

Last time I checked, Tiger Woods is still the #1 ranked golfer in the world. Although the golfing world is still abuzz over Tiger’s dismal performance in the WGC-Bridgestone Invitational last weekend, he’s still the guy who finished fourth at Augusta this year and he’s still the guy who finished fourth in the U.S. Open this year. While there is no doubt in my mind that his game has suffered this year as he has dealt with his imploding personal life, he remains, by any statistical measure, the best golfer in the world.

The spotlight of the sports world has always shone on Tiger due to his brilliance on the golf course. Some have argued that the spotlight, and the individual nature of golf, have combined to make Tiger’s 2010 season much more difficult on him than if a comparable athlete in a team sport was making the same sort of “comeback” from off-season transgressions.

Additionally, some wonder whether Tiger lacks the motivation he once had because his life off the course is so distracting at the moment. I tend to agree with these arguments, and that is why I think the Ryder Cup may be just what the doctor ordered for Woods.

At the Ryder Cup you’re playing not for yourself. You’re playing for your country and your team. While I do not doubt that the European media is licking its chops for another shot at a Tiger Woods press conference, and that Joslyn James will find a local entertainment establishment to ply her trade and play with Tiger’s mind, the key difference at the Ryder Cup is that Tiger will not be going back to an empty hotel room at night trying to dissect his game. There will be team events where he will feel a part of something, and that will help his golf game. His singular focus and standoffishness may have helped him when he was on top of the world, but you need friends in times of trouble. The festivities surrounding the Ryder Cup will all but force friendships upon him, even if they only last the weekend.

More importantly, at a normal PGA event, it’s in the best interest of all the other players to do nothing to help Tiger’s game or emotional state because a flaw in either area does nothing but pad their bottom line. At the Ryder Cup, national pride and the history of the game is on the line in a unique way. I cannot imagine the American team doing anything but supporting its best player.

It is said that golf is played between the ears as much as between the ropes, and Tiger’s uneven season lends credence to that statement. The supportive team environment, with the country cheering on he and his compatriots, will be the tonic Tiger needs to find his game and lead our team to victory.

Psychology aside, though, I think the decision for Pavin is an easy one. If you are picking a team, don’t you want the best player in the world on your team?

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The Tiger Woods Ryder Cup Debate… Ryder Cup, U.S. Deserves Great (Tiger-less) Golf

August 12, 2010

Read the opposing argument from Optimist Prime.

Who is this doppelganger? Tiger Woods the ultra-focused, robotically talented golfer has been replaced by some pretender with a hastily grown goatee. It’s as if he was kidnapped to another universe and all the kidnappers could find to replace the real Tiger Woods with was this questionably talented look alike.

Now, in a sports culture of what have you done for me lately, Cory Pavin – the wizard behind the curtain, the man responsible for choosing the golfers for the Ryder Cup team – thinks he has a hard decision to make. He does not. Tiger Woods is not playing good enough golf right now to warrant a spot representing his country in the Ryder Cup.

Tiger’s latest record from the Bridgestone Invitational in Akron, Ohio last week is the culmination of months of distractions and less practice time, resulting in the disappearance of the dominating game we have all grown accustomed to. He finished 18 over par. EIGHTEEN! Allow that to sink in. There is a good chance that Bleacher Fan could have outplayed Tiger Woods last week.

I don’t really need to rehash all of Tiger’s recent struggles on the golf course. His drives are off. He is not getting up and down like he was this time last year. His putter… well… it just isn’t there. He has lost his feel for golf. We all know this. These aren’t the kinds of skills that a weekend of practice will correct, either. A golf swing is a carefully managed and engineered athletic maneuver that requires refinement, precision, and constant maintenance. Tiger is admittedly spending less time practicing, and it shows in his game.

Perhaps Tiger could invest time to fix some of his struggles, however. Only, his arrogance keeps getting in the way. He fired his long-time swing coach. He recently issued a press statement about how he is working with a coach again to quiet some of that criticism. But, the effects of a great swing coach are not seen overnight. And they will definitely not be seen in time for the next major or the Ryder cup.

I want to be clear about something. I genuinely respect that Tiger Woods does not practice as much as he used to in order to spend more time with his kids. That’s great. Family should always come first. But, Tiger is just learning how to balance his family with his golf career. Up until this year, his golf career always came first (along with that other stuff…). Now Tiger’s focus is split, and he’s unaccustomed to winning with less practice and a dual focus in life. That is okay. But, it takes time to work through balancing these two worthy ambitions.

Other golfers, like Phil Mickelson, have been balancing family and golf for years. He is an excellent golfer who will be consistently good. Tiger is reinventing himself as a person, and his game, at the same time. It is not an easy thing to do. If anyone can do it, it seems like Tiger can. But, he hasn’t done it yet.

Here are the facts. Tiger Woods, the hollow, nominal number one golfer in the world, has not won this year. He just completed a tournament where he shot 18 over par. He has gotten progressively worse throughout the year with each passing tournament. He is outside the top eight golfers who would automatically qualify for the Ryder Cup team, and is in need of a special selection. Corey Pavin probably will pick Woods for the Ryder Cup team, caving to likely pressure about TV ratings and sponsors. But he shouldn’t. Tiger Woods simply isn’t a good golfer right now. He’s not even a fair golfer. Right now, he’s downright bad. And right now is all that matters for this selection.

The old Tiger Woods is the best golfer in the world… perhaps ever. But the old Tiger Woods is gone. The new Tiger Woods, this doppelganger with a beard, is still sorting himself out. And he has never looked worse while doing it (surprisingly, that’s not another beard reference). But, like my fresh and esteemed colleague Optimist Prime points out, he was once the best. Odds are good that he’ll get back there. But it’ll take time. And the Ryder Cup is too soon to take the risk. Let’s give Tiger time to figure his life and his golf game out – without the burden of an international spotlight.

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The All Time Greatest Colts Quarterback of Debate Verdict

August 12, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Babe Ruthless and Loyal Homer.

Choosing between Johnny Unitas and Peyton Manning is no easy task!

I had hoped to get in touch with Rabbi Pinto for some counsel in this quandary, but apparently the Rabbi had been called away for some other so-called critical business meeting. Having struck out there, I thought I’d go to Brandon Phillips and Yadier Molina to see if they could help me choose between the two. Unfortunately, they couldn’t agree on a winner either (the conversation got a little heated), and even after their friends got into the debate there was no resolution.

In the end, I was left to the challenge of choosing between the arguments from Loyal Homer and Babe Ruthless on my own. And so I am awarding this verdict to – Babe Ruthless.

Aside from the fact that Manning apparently walks on water during his free time, Babe Ruthless brought up some very important points about Manning’s production that, no matter how Loyal Homer tried to spin it, were irrefutable.

As far as raw production is concerned between Manning and Unitas, I was skeptical of Babe Ruthless’ contention that Manning was better simply because he passed for more yards. Like Loyal Homer, I recognized the fact that Manning, whose entire career has been played in a league where the season spans 16 games, had greater opportunity to pass for more yards. As such, it is only natural that Manning should have greater raw production.

But even after taking into consideration the fact that Unitas played in fewer games each season than Manning, he was still outperformed by Manning on a very consistent basis.

Over his career Unitas averaged for only 190.7 passing yards per game, while Manning averages 261.1 yards per game. Based on those averages, if Unitas DID play in 16 games each season, his career best season still would have only been 3,862 yards… a performance that surpasses only two of Manning’s seasons (one of which was his rookie year).

In arguing on Unitas’ behalf, Loyal Homer points to the fact that Manning has won only one championship, while Unitas has won three. Once more, though, it is important to take into consideration how much the game has changed between the eras in which Unitas and Manning played.

Although Unitas won two additional championships, the context for how those championships were won must be taken into consideration. For Unitas’ championships in 1958 and 1959, they were the result of playing in only one post-season game in a league of only 12 teams.

Compare that reduced league size to the reality of competing for a championship in the NFL today. The league now has 32 teams, and the championship is awarded over a post-season that spans not one, but four weeks.

Consider this fact – in 17 seasons Unitas led his teams to only six post-season appearances while Manning led his teams to ten post-season appearances in a 13-year span. Within those ten post-season appearances, Manning won at least one game four different times. By 1958-1959 standards, where only one post-season game was played, that would equate to four different NFL championships.

That does not change the fact that Unitas was the quarterback of those two championship teams, but it does put into perspective just how great the accomplishment was.

Finally, consider this: before the conclusion of the 2009 Super Bowl, there was talk of Peyton Manning possibly becoming the greatest quarterback, not only in Colts’ history, but in the entire history of the NFL. Granted the Colts lost that Super Bowl game, but one game – no matter what the stage is – is hardly enough to change a person’s legacy from being potentially the greatest of all time to not even being considered the greatest to have ever played for his team. How can Manning be considered as the greatest quarterback of all time if he isn’t even the greatest quarterback to play for his own franchise?

Peyton Manning has had far greater challenges laid in front of him, and he has performed at a correspondingly better level than Johnny Unitas when responding to each of those challenges. He has been recognized as being the Most Valuable Player in the league more times than Unitas, and has produced at a better game-for-game rate.

While Unitas may technically have more championships to his name, Manning’s superior overall performance has earned him the title of the Greatest Colts Quarterback of All Time.

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The All Time Greatest Colts Quarterback Debate

August 10, 2010

Read the opposing arguments from Babe Ruthless and Loyal Homer.

Unitas or Manning?

Johnny Unitas led the Colts in Baltimore for 17 years. Peyton Manning is preparing for his 13th season (with no end to his career in Indianapolis in sight).

Unitas is a Hall of Famer, and Manning will be a Hall of Famer. Both are NFL record-holders, as well as championship quarterbacks.

Both will be remembered in history as two of the most dominant quarterbacks of their era, but…

Between Peyton Manning and Johnny Unitas, who was the greatest Colts quarterback of all time?

Johnny Unitas gets Loyal Homer’s vote, while Babe Ruthless believes that Manning has supplanted Unitas as the Colt’s gunslinger extraordinaire.

If you could choose only one to lead your team, which would it be?

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The All Time Greatest Colts Quarterback Debate… The Greatest QB Who Ever Lived

August 10, 2010

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Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback that ever lived, and that’s a fact. Well, maybe it’s not a fact, but it’s an opinion based on fact. An opinion I can seriously not overstate. You might ask, “Just how good is Peyton Manning?” I’ll tell you. But brace yourself because the answers may be shocking.

Peyton Manning’s football prowess is so blindingly brilliant that doctors recommend watching him play through a pin hole in a sheet of paper. Mathematicians have declared his passes the only perfect arches that occur in nature. Physicists have even speculated that if he throws a football hard enough in the exact opposite direction of the earth’s rotation he can actually turn back time, like at the end of the Superman movie. In my not so humble opinion, Peyton Manning is the greatest football player in the history of mankind.

Throughout his career he has drawn comparisons to other great quarterbacks, especially Johnny Unitas. Both he and Johnny U have been hugely successful, record setting quarterbacks for the Colts. The comparison comes naturally. Each man is an icon in their own right. But in comparing legacies, Manning stands alone.

Unitas will forever be remembered as a revolutionary of the game. His innovative approach to the passing game paved the way for the stars of today, but he simply cannot measure up to Peyton Manning. In terms of franchise records, there is no doubt that Manning is superior. He owns practically every Colt’s franchise passing record – including passing yards, passing touchdowns, attempts, completions, and completion percentage – an impressive feat considering how high Unitas set the bar. Even more impressive still is the fact that Manning has succeeded in today’s faster, more intense version of professional football. Modern athletes are bigger, faster, and stronger than they were in Unitas’ day. So while Manning would have absolutely owned the 1950s and 1960s, the same cannot necessarily be said of Unitas in the late 20th and early 21st Century.

When it comes to league-wide accolades the two are neck and neck, but Manning still has the edge in a close one. Both quarterbacks have been selected to an impressive ten Pro Bowls. They both have one Super Bowl victory a piece to their credit, but Manning also has the honor of being the Super Bowl MVP. Admittedly, Unitas has a couple of NFL World Championships to his credit, but that’s not 100 percent comparable to the Super Bowl since the AFL and NFL were not yet combined and competing against each other for an undisputed title yet. Unitas did beat out Manning in terms of All-Pro selections with six to Manning’s five, but Manning trumped Unitas in the more prestigious category of AP NFL MVP awards. Manning stands alone with a record four league MVP awards compared to Unitas’ three. While Unitas hangs with Manning almost tit-for-tat in awards, Manning usually seems to win in the bigger, flashier categories.

But the most compelling argument comes in comparing their best years, where Peyton Manning seemingly dwarfs Johnny Unitas. In 1959 Johnny Unitas set a career high scoring 32 touchdowns and compiling 2,899 passing yards. Four years later, in 1963, he established another career benchmark throwing for 3,481 yards and 20 touchdowns. Even combining Unitas’ career high marks together, as if they were accomplished in the same season, his statistics become pedestrian feats when compared to what Peyton Manning does on a routine basis. On three separate occasions – 2000, 2004, and 2009 – Manning eclipsed both single-season highs for Unitas the 32 TDs and the 3,481 yards. There has never been a season in Manning’s career when he threw for fewer yards than Unitas’ best season.

Peyton Manning’s best season came in 2004 when he threw for 4,557 yards and scored a then NFL record 49 TDs. This aerial barrage was a campaign for the ages. Manning’s TD record has only been surpassed by Tom Brady, who scored only one more TD than Manning (50) during the 2007 season. But even Touchdown Tom doesn’t stand up to Manning in the long run. Aside from Brady’s record breaking 2007, he has never eclipsed the 30 TD threshold… something Manning has done five times in his still relatively short career. While this debate isn’t about Brady, it speaks volumes that Manning’s numbers are consistently better than the current NFL record holder.

So when it comes to statistics, just about the only number that Unitas has that is greater than Manning is the one on his Jersey, where Manning wears 18 but Unitas donned 19). But, if you look at it in golf terms, not surprisingly Manning wins again.

In the intro to this debate Bleacher Fan asked who we would choose to lead our team. Undoubtedly it’s Manning. The guy has not only broken Unitas’ franchise record, he has set NFL milestones. He puts up stat lines that would be career years for most quarterbacks, past and present, nearly every season. He also does it with charisma. Peyton Manning is surely the greatest Colt’s quarterback of all time.

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