The Is Kurt Warner a Hall of Famer Debate – The Hall of Game Threshold

January 19, 2010

Read the debate intro and the opposing argument from Loyal Homer that Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner is not a hall of famer.



These are the types of questions that The Sports Debates was launched to answer. These questions, folks, are also the most compelling to Sports Geeks like me.

It is a simple question – is Kurt Warner a hall of fame caliber quarterback? Such a simple question deserves a simple answer. It would be great to give one, too.

Instead, a simple examination of his statistics, followed by a comparison to current pro football hall of fame quarterbacks, proves without a doubt that Kurt Warner, even if he does decide to retire this season as the still young(ish) age of 38, deserves to be recognized as a hall of famer.

Kurt Warner in just 125 career starts – thanks to injuries – has compiled one of the best careers for any quarterback of all time. From 1999-2001 Kurt Warner strung together one of the greatest runs by any measure. In 1999 (when Warner completed one of the greatest seasons for pro quarterback ever) he threw a whopping 41 touchdowns against just 13 interceptions and led the NFC with a completion percentage of over 65 percent. In 2000 he managed to improve his completion percentage to 67.7 percent and lead the NFC in seven notable statistical categories, despite starting just 11 games. In 2001 he led his team with an amazing season-long performance where he completed nearly 69 percent of his passes, threw for nearly 5,000 yards, and averaged 301.9 yards passing per game. Perhaps Warner benefited from the offensive scheme the Rams employed, but he is also responsible for making it work like no other quarterback could.

The biggest threshold Warner has to pass for many was the ability to perform outside of the late 1990s St. Louis Rams’ offenses. Sure, Kurt Warner was great during the Greatest Show On Turf days. But, how good of a quarterback was Warner after St. Louis? No worries – he was great. After a couple of injury-riddled seasons he posted nearly 3,500 yards and 27 touchdowns in 2007, then followed that up with 4,583 yards passing and 30 touchdowns along with a Super Bowl appearance (and a brutal loss that could have been a great win if not for some bad defense down the stretch). This season Warner led the team to another season of double-digit wins and tossed over 3,700 yards with 26 touchdowns. Warner’s skills are not exactly in decline.

Warner also has a 9-3 career playoff record, a Super Bowl win and Super Bowl MVP trophy.

So, what is the threshold for the hall of fame? On the surface Warner seems worthy of consideration. I offer two quarterbacks that Kurt Warner compares to similarly to prove that he is worthy of being a hall of famer: Dan Fouts and Troy Aikman.

Dan Fouts, like Kurt Warner, threw for over 4,000 passing yards three times in his career. Unlike Warner, who spread his performances out throughout his career, Fouts reached that magical season benchmark in three consecutive seasons. Dan Fouts was a very accurate passer, one of the reasons he reached the hall of fame. Kurt Warner’s completion percentage for a season only once dipped below 60 percent. Fouts failed to reach 60 percent 10 times. Fouts also finished his career just two games over .500 as a starter, with a career playoff record of 3-4. Warner is currently 13 games over .500.

Troy Aikman is another hall of fame quarterback that Kurt Warner already leads in many statistical categories. Obviously, Aikman’s playoff record is incomparable, finishing 11-4 with several rings. But, Aikman never threw 25 touchdown passes in a season, notching 23 in 1992 as a career high. Warner surpassed 25 TD passes on five separate occasions. The highest passing yards per game Aikman ever averaged is 229.5. Sure, Aikman was a great quarterback, but on a team with a great running back, too. The burden for Warner to carry the team’s offensive output and continue to perform at a high level separates him from other players he compares favorably to, like Troy Aikman.

If 2009 proves to be Warner’s last, he will have ended strongly, unlike the aforementioned hall of famers. Fouts ended his career with a five win season, just 2,517 passing yards and 10 touchdowns. Aikman ended with just four wins, fewer than 2,000 passing yards and seven touchdowns. Both Fouts and Aikman are deserving of hall of fame recognition. By the threshold their careers have established, so is Kurt Warner.

What, truly, is the knock against Kurt Warner’s hall of fame credentials? His stats are great. His performance on the biggest stage is great. He has a Super Bowl MVP. He is a great player, a great story, and one of the best of all time. The only true knock against Warner is that he has not played very long. He has only started 125 games. For Warner, however, his relatively short playing time turns out to be a positive when considering his hall of famer worthiness. The only factor that makes Kurt Warner’s accomplishments more noteworthy is the fact that he accomplished so much in such a relatively short span of time.

I could take up twenty-five pages of point by point comparison of Warner and other pro football hall of fame quarterbacks. I simply do not have to do that. Warner’s statistics, his consistency, and his dominance of the game during his prime are remarkable, and worthy of recognition of the highest honor as one of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game of football.

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The Is Kurt Warner a Hall of Famer Debate – Warner Is Not Canton Bound Just Yet

January 19, 2010

Read the debate intro and the opposing argument from Sports Geek that Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner is a hall of famer.



Let me first say that I am a big Kurt Warner supporter. I, like much of the country, became enamored with him back in 1999 when the St. Louis Rams made that magical run all the way to Super Bowl XXXIV, which goes down as one of the better Super Bowls in my lifetime. I think his rags to riches story reeks of a Hollywood movie. He comes across as generally a nice guy, and I can appreciate that. But whether or not he has established himself as a hall of fame quarterback is at the core of today’s debate. I have believe that he is not a lock for the hall of fame. (Side note: Bleacher Fan has been several times, and tells us it should be on our “Bucket List” of places to go).

That season with the Rams, in 1999, was Warner’s first real playing time with an NFL franchise. He had previously dominated NFL Europe. But in 1999, with starter Trent Green tearing his ACL in preseason, the show became Kurt’s to run, and that’s exactly what he did. He turned the Rams into The Greatest Show on Turf. He continued to put up monster individual numbers in 2000 and 2001, and would have won another Super Bowl in 2001 if not for a kicker named Adam Vinatieri.

That is where it went down hill… for a little while at least.

Warner began experiencing problems with fumbling and poor overall decisions with the football. He threw 11 interceptions in only six starts in 2002 due to a broken finger on his throwing hand. In the season opener in 2003, he fumbled a whopping SIX times. He was benched by head coach Mike Martz and replaced by Marc Bulger. He never started another game for the Rams.

After that, he signed with the New York Giants and started for half the season before giving way to heralded rookie Eli Manning. There was no way he was going to be a starter for long in the Meadowlands. Like he would find out later in Arizona, he was expected to groom a young hot shot coming out of college, and that did not really turn out well either time.

His time in Arizona did not start out so well, either. He split time with Josh McCown, of all people, in 2005. The Cardinals then drafted Matt Leinart, and Warner was expected to take a back seat. But due to injuries and ineffectiveness, Leinart was never able to keep a firm grip on the starting job.

Warner has since posted back-to-back playoff seasons in Arizona, suffering yet another heartbreaking Super Bowl loss last season.

Looking at his career numbers, it is fair to question whether or not Kurt Warner belongs in the Hall of Fame. He, after all, did not become a starter in the NFL until he was 28-years-old. He has played 12 years in the league, and in only six of those years did he throw for more than 11 touchdowns. His good years were actually great. But he has not been consistent enough to make it to Canton, Ohio. The other years proved that. And after the big hit he took Saturday, I am not sure he will step out on the field next season.

The hall of fame is supposed to be reserved for the game’s greats. Does six great years reserve a spot for a player alongside the game’s all time greats? I don’t think so!

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The Best Decision About A Coach Debate – The Best Change Was NO Change At All!

January 18, 2010

Read the arguments from Loyal Homer and Sports Geek.



Am I the only person who WAS NOT surprised that the Cleveland Browns decided to keep Eric Mangini as their head coach for 2010 and beyond?

As a Cleveland Browns season ticket holder, I stood witness to the frustration and embarrassment that was the 2009 football season. Any coach whose team starts the season with a dreadful record of 1-11 is going to have his job-security questioned, and believe me, there were PLENTY of angry Dawg-Pounders out there who would have loved to see a new head coach for the Orange and Brown. Even though Mangini and the Browns managed to roll off four consecutive victories to close out the season, there was still a sense that Mangini’s days in Browns Town were numbered.

Fueling that fire further was the late season hiring of Mike Holmgren as the Browns’ club president. Holmgren, who has assumed responsibility for all of the team’s football operations, has a very impressive history of his own as head coach, and a lot of folks around “Believeland” thought (or should I say hoped) that Holmgren might want to once again stalk the sidelines.

Despite all the speculation, Holmgren decided to stick with Mangini, and I must say that he made the right choice. Not because I think of Mangini as the answer to the Browns’ woes, but instead because the final four weeks of the Browns’ season serves as proof that Mangini might know what he is doing after all.

Mangini was brought to Cleveland to rebuild a team, and like the old adage says – “Sometimes you have to re-break a bone before it can truly heal.”

It was clear from the word go that Mangini’s first priority was to fix the ‘attitude’ problem. Distracting and disruptive players had no place in Mangini’s locker-room, regardless of the talent they displayed on the field. Locker-room poisons like Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards served as the most prominent examples of Mangini’s house-keeping, as both had created a lot of off-field drama for the team in recent years.

While that loss of talent hurt the team early, it was clear that the mindset of the team was beginning to change, and that was a GOOD thing!

However, the absences of a legitimate top-receiver and Pro-Bowl tight end, combined with the lack of a bonafide starting quarterback, brought the situation in Cleveland to rock-bottom. Injuries piled up, including the loss of Pro-Bowler Shaun Rogers (another player like Edwards and Winslow with a reputation of self-service) and Jamal Lewis (who clearly had no problems of his own in airing the team’s dirty laundry), and it looked like the team was destined for a last-place finish.

But it was precisely at this point that the “healing” process began. The roster became populated with guys that nobody had ever heard of. Names like Kellen Winslow, Jamal Lewis, Shaun Rogers, and Braylon Edwards were being replaced by Evan Moore, Jerome Harrison, Chris Jennings, Mike Furrey, Blake Costanzo, and Matt Roth. While those guys did not have the pedigree or the recognition that their predecessors had, they possessed something much more valuable that had been lacking on the shores of Lake Erie for a very long time – HEART!

They did not care that the Browns were 1-11 (well, I am sure they cared, but not in the same finger-pointing, self-preservation sort of way that guys like Winslow and Edwards were known for). Instead, they were excited for an opportunity to play in the pros. They WANTED to be a part of the TEAM, they WANTED to see each other do well, and it showed on the field. It turned out that Mangini was correct – the right attitude bred success.

Timed re-energized locker room was Mangini’s seeming acceptance that it did not really matter WHO played at the quarterback position. Instead of trying to get results out of two quarterbacks that lacked any real consistency, Mangini took the ball out of their hands altogether. The result was a return to fundamental smash-mouth football that the fans in Cleveland love to see. Instead of players worrying about their contracts and playing time (take note Joshua Cribbs), the “new” Browns stepped up and turned their season around.

They played inspired football, and although their level of opposition was not the strongest in the league, they did manage to pull off their first win in MANY years against the Pittsburgh Steelers. They beat the teams they were supposed to beat, which is more than what can be said for a lot of teams out there this year!

The biggest mistake that Holmgren could have made would have been to stop that positive momentum. The team seems to be moving in the right direction, and Mangini was the right choice for the Browns!

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The Best Decision About A Coach Debate – The Burden of Success, USC Does What It Must

January 18, 2010

Read the arguments from Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan about which football organization/program made the best decision about its head coaching position.



It was a normal feeling morning on campus in Los Angeles. The morning winter air was brisk, but temperatures would warm some later. No worries, right? Good weather, good location, good times.

Then Southern Cal head coach Pete Carroll took a call from the Seattle Seahawks organization, an organization that wished to break promises and fire its current coach, Jim Mora. All of a sudden there was an intense need to move in a different direction, and Pete Carroll was squarely in the team’s sites.

Normally Carroll would dismiss the opportunity out of hand. But, with allegations of recruiting violations and the specter of inconsistencies surrounding the tenure of Reggie Bush, Carroll felt if there ever was a time to leave the university for another position, it was now. And in a blink of an eye, overnight, Carroll was gone. Goodbye sunshine, hello rain (perhaps a metaphor for the decision?).

Coming off a poor season, USC found itself in another strange position – coachless. The situation was so dire and uncertain that recruits were taking the initiative to hold the recruiting class together. One free safety USC commit even started a group on Facebook called “Let’s keep the 2010 USC Football recruiting class together!!”

The school was in a real lurch. All of the necessary steps were taken by the university, with no stop left unpulled. Chris Peterson was called, but unwilling to budge from Boise State. Talks with Steve Mariucci never materialized into anything serious. Jack Del Rio ultimately decided to keep his home address in Jacksonville (for some reason).

The phone system within the USC athletic department probably started smoking with the volume of phone calls made and received over the few days of uncertainty that followed the sudden departure of Pete Carroll. Then USC did something that seemed impossible. A very vocal coach who was already mixing things up in the SEC and engrained at a university with a long and storied football history agreed to speak about the head coaching position at USC. Southern Cal used its leverage made a call upon history to Lane Kiffin.

No matter what fans and media think of Lane Kiffin’s character (which I happen to think is without integrity), USC acted quickly and decisively, saving both the 2010 recruiting class, the hope of the 2010 season, and, of course, the reputation of the university’s football program. Tennessee had such a publically difficult time both retaining Kiffin and attracting new coaching talent that the program no longer appears as the elite head coaching job it once did.

USC was not done, either. Kiffin, who brings his famously successful defensive coaching dad Monte with him, nearly lured UCLA offensive coordinator Norm Chow back to Troy. USC turned a vacancy into real, believable momentum.

The quick action to get Kiffin to campus also created an environment that star running back C.J. Gable believes he can thrive in… after nearly turning professional. Southern Cal now sits poised for a competitive season in 2010 with a coach experienced at the school and a top tier recruiting class on its way. It sounds as though not much has changed in Troy… just the name of the desk in the head football coach’s office. Credit the fast-acting athletic department in creating an environment for success regardless of suddenly difficult circumstances. No matter how we feel about Lane Kiffin and his integrity – or lack thereof – and poor treatment of Tennessee, its program and its fans, USC did what was right in the near-term for its program in the face of sudden and difficult events.

It is obvious that USC’s goals were short term preservation in order to keep the university moving forward. Who knows what the long term plans are for USC… or Lane Kiffin. Kiffin may simply be a short term fix while USC quietly seeks out a more stable long-term coach. Or perhaps Kiffin proves he is a short term fix and long term solution – he will have the chance to prove it. Regardless of what USC’s long term plans are, or the overall direction of the major college football coaching landscape (and, yes, I do agree with Jay Paterno), the athletic department did an excellent job at holding the football program together in the near term with the aggressiveness that was necessary.

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The Best Decision About A Coach Debate – The Skins Try to Upgrade Once Again

January 18, 2010

Read the arguments from Bleacher Fan and Sports Geek.



It has been a crazy “silly season” for both college and pro football coaches. There has been a lot of turnover, as head coaches and coordinators have been getting canned in high numbers. One change that everyone knew was going to happen took place in the capital city of Washington. Jim Zorn was a sitting duck for much of the season as his Redskins had some really bad losses. Thus, it was no surprise when he was fired the day after the end of the regular season. What was even less of a surprise was the hiring of Mike Shanahan as his replacement. Shanahan is a proven winner and I think it is the best coaching decision made this offseason.

Obviously, Shanahan’s resume speaks for itself. He has won two Super Bowls, winning back in 1997 and 1998. His critics will argue that Shanahan has not won without John Elway, who retired after the second Super Bowl (has it really been that long since we last saw Elway in action?). But, as a whole, he still finished with a record of 138-86 record in 14 years with the Broncos, and ten of those years were without #7 leading his patented fourth quarter comebacks.

Meanwhile, the Redskins have been in a state of flux for many years, as Shanahan is the seventh head coach Washington has had since 1999, the year current owner Daniel Snyder purchased the team. Can you name the previous six coaches? There is Norv Turner (who is feeling some heat today from Chargers fans), interim head coach Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs, Jim Zorn, and now Shanahan.

The Redskins are one of the league’s most valuable franchises, ranking second behind the Dallas Cowboys. Yet, their success on the field does not come close to matching their success off the field. It will be Shanahan’s job to turn things around. He has a strong defense, as that unit has not been the problem with this team in recent years. Newly hired defensive coordinator Jim Haslett will attempt to keep the ball rolling with the defense, and hopefully keep Albert Haynesworth worth happy. The real key to Shanahan’s success will be what he decides to do with quarterback Jason Campbell. Campbell has had minimal success with the Redskins, and the team will have to make a decision on what to do with him. Shanahan has had a mixed bag of success with quarterbacks, with Brian Griese, Jake Plummer, and Jay Cutler being among the guys Shanahan has coached in the post-Elway era.

Mike Shanahan is a proven winner. There is a lot to be done in Washington, as anyone can see by the way the 2009 team played at times. But he is the man for the job, and he is the best hire by any professional franchise or college program this offseason.

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The 2010 Best Divisional NFL Playoff Game Debate – Star Power On Display In Minneapolis

January 16, 2010

Read the argument from Loyal Homer about which NFL playoff game is the best of the upcoming weekend.



Rarely in sports does the star power on the field in a game promise quality. Such is the case for the NFL divisional playoff game this Sunday afternoon when the Minnesota Vikings host the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL’s best playoff game, and perhaps its best game all season.

We are all aware of the start power in this game, from both sides. The Vikings have Brett Favre, Adrian Peterson, and Jared Allen along with an entire cast of supporting characters. The Cowboys have Tony Romo, Marion Barber, and DeMarcus Ware along with their entire cast of supporting characters. The talent abounds, and fans are in for a treat.

Usually when analyzing what the best games of the weekend will be I rely heavily on statistics and general game knowledge – football teams have to run the ball well and stop the run to win in the playoffs. The Cowboys have a strong and dynamic running attack and the ability to stop the run. The Vikings have Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor – a dynamic duo in their own right – along with a defense that is excellent against the run. But, these are playoff teams. That is what fans and the media expect. What will make this such a great game is not that raw data, but the immeasurable stuff.

The Cowboys have something in this game coming in the Vikings will fight tooth and nail to take away – momentum. Ever since DeMarcus Ware’s scary head injury in the penultimate game of the season – and his miraculous return a week later – the Cowboys have played with an extra bounce on both sides of the ball. Tony Romo’s passes are sharper, Miles Austin’s routes are a little crisper, Keith Brookings tackles are a little stronger, and even Felix Jones is a little faster (though that is hard to believe). Momentum breeds confidence, confidence wins. The Cowboys have it right now, and the Vikings need it.

Desperation lives in both teams, and both coaches. The coaches from both teams have a tremendous amount of incentive to win.

Dallas Cowboys head coach Wade Phillips has his back against the wall. General Manager Jerry Jones has a nice contract extension sitting somewhere in a desk drawer (a desk that is probably made of gold, diamonds, and rare baby seal skin). If Wade Phillips wins this game – and perhaps a conference championship game, Jones will likely offer Phillips a pen and the contract. If Phillips and the Cowboys lose Sunday, Phillips career in Dallas will come to an abrupt end.

Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress also has his back to the wall. He has been vocally critical of his star quarterback (who may know a thing or two more about the offense than Childress), and entered the season on a hot seat. Thus far the Vikings have played well, especially having started the season so strongly. Lately, however, the Vikings have begun to slip – especially in road games. The Vikings are fortunate to be playing at home Sunday, having lost four of the last five road games. While the team has played strong at home, without a secure return from Favre and the prospect of ending a once promising season on a down note, Childress could find himself unemployed.

Coaches coach, and players play. The difference is players have stronger contracts than coaches. If the players of both teams like and respect their coaches, they best pull out all the stops this weekend.
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This game has the requisite drama every big game needs – plenty of coaches coaching for their jobs, players playing for contracts, players giving it one last shot, players trying to erase a stigma… and that whole “lose and the team’s out of the playoffs” thing. Without a doubt I have had the best track record at picking the must-watch games of the weekends throughout the Fall and Winter. This game is no exception. Grab a six pack (or if you’re like Sports Geek, a smooth bourbon or a delicious scotch) and enjoy what promises to be not only the best game of the weekend and playoffs, but perhaps the entire season.

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The 2010 Best Divisional NFL Playoff Game Debate – Colts Welcome Baltimore to Indy

January 16, 2010

Read the argument from Sports Geek.



I said in last Friday’s debate how much I love NFL Wild card weekend. I expressed some doubt that the Patriots would be able to beat the Ravens and I was correct in expressing that doubt, though I did not expect that whipping. But as much as I love the wild card weekend, I love the divisional round of the NFL playoffs even more. The four teams that achieved byes in the first round are now in action, and it is time to get serious. Obviously, the showdown between the Vikings and Cowboys is getting a lot of looks. I will be watching that, obviously, and I am sure FOX will be heavily hyping the series premiere of Human Target and the season premiere of 24… both of which I will be watching. But the best game takes place in primetime Saturday as the Indianapolis Colts play host to the suddenly hot Baltimore Ravens.

As I stated, it was an absolute whipping in Foxboro last week. Watching that game unfold, it became increasingly clear to me that the Ravens were playing with a tremendous amount of confidence. In using one of the most overused “cool” words in today’s society, the Ravens had that “swagger.” If you do not think so, just watch how Ray Lewis acts on the field, and you tell me what you think. The Ravens defense was flying to the ball last week, as evident by the three interceptions by Tom Brady. In fact, it is not just Brady the Ravens defense has been “picking” on lately. The Ravens have caused 25 turnovers in the past nine games. If the Ravens can control the ball on offense with an increasingly strong rushing attack led by Ray Rice, then Baltimore can win this game. I know the Ravens are around a touchdown underdog, but to me, a Ravens win would not be THAT big of an upset.

The Colts come into this weekend with more pressure than any other team in the playoffs. With all the hoopla surrounding the decision to essentially sit the starters the last two games of the regular season, the Colts had to have known the heat would be turned up on them. Everyone associated with the team stated that they were concerned with winning the Super Bowl and not achieving regular season perfection. Well that Super Bowl journey begins Saturday night.

These two teams faced off in Indianapolis back in Week 11, with the Colts coming out on top 17-15. It was a game the Ravens definitely felt got away. You may recall that the Ravens lost a close regular season game to the Patriots, and we all saw how that rematch turned out last week. The Colts are well-rested for sure, and it will be fascinating to me to see if they come out rusty or rested. Every team that has a first round bye battles that issue every year. But let’s face it… many of the Colts starters have not played a full game in a month. Will that be an advantage or a disadvantage?

A Ravens win would not be shocking, but neither would a Colts convincing win. Tune in Saturday night to see which one it is.

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The NCAA Basketball Tournament Expansion Debate – Quality Over Quantity Wins Out

January 15, 2010

Read the arguments from Babe Ruthless and Bleacher Fan about whether or not the NCAA Basketball Tournament should expand.



Talk of expansion is a natural progression in any sport. Usually, it comes in terms of adding a franchise to a particular league. In my lifetime, I have seen the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all add expansion teams. Occasionally, expansion is contained within a particular conference, with the most recent example being the expansion of the ACC earlier this decade with the addition of Boston College, Virginia Tech, and Miami. This particular debate, however, deals with the expansion of the number of teams the NCAA selection committee invites to its men’s NCAA college basketball tournament.

Babe Ruthless played the financial angle. More teams in the tournament equals more games, which in turn leads to more sponsors and TV commercials. That would obviously lead to a bigger flow of revenue. Babe also pointed out the fact that expansion gives more teams an opportunity to make a name, just like Davidson, Winthrop, and others such as George Mason have done in the past decade or so. The public loves a Cinderella story, and having 96 teams in the tournament gives the mid-majors more of a chance to make that dream push through March.

Bleacher Fan, on the other hand, feels that an increase of the teams to 96 would severely water down the tournament. Most college basketball fans know that a team that goes into the tournament ranked as a 16th seed has NEVER won a game in the tournament, though I do feel that one eventually will win a game. Using teams like Nicholls State and Cincinnati in examples, Bleacher Fan writes that these types of teams do not deserve to play in a tournament competing for the national championship.

I really swayed back and forth on this decision. At first, I favored Bleacher Fan, but then my verdict was leaning toward Babe Ruthless. However, it is time to make a decision. It is Judgment Day! It is selection Friday!

Both the debaters are currently on the bubble waiting for my decision. After much deliberation, I award the victory to Bleacher Fan.

I understand what Babe Ruthless is saying. More teams in the tournament definitely brings the opportunity for more money to the NCAA and likely costs a larger contract for whatever network agrees to the broadcast rights for the tournament. But by expanding the amount of teams eligible for the tournament, it is essentially water down the whole event. These extra 31 teams are eligible for postseason play by playing in the NIT. They just do not belong in the sacred field of 65. The NCAA runs the risk for having the tournament last a significant amount of time. Before long, the length of the tournament will be approaching the length of the NBA playoffs!!! That is just too much! Maybe expansion would bring more teams to the party, but at what point does the party become too crowded? And at what cost to the quality of the party?

Maybe the NCAA will come up with a format that pleases everyone, though even at 96 teams, the 97th team is going to feel snubbed. As it stands right now, though, a field of 65 is the perfect amount to determine the national champion.

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The NCAA Basketball Tournament Expansion Debate – When Does March Madness Become Too Mad?

January 14, 2010

Read the arguments from Babe Ruthless and Bleacher Fan about whether or not the NCAA Basketball Tournament should expand.



There are some sporting events out there that just attract the masses and get the casual fans involved in one way or another. The Super Bowl is one of them. Millions of people that do not watch professional football all year long come together to watch the Super Bowl, even if it is just to socialize. Another event that brings fans together is the NCAA Men’s College Basketball tournament, affectionately known as March Madness.

It is often said that March Madness is responsible for thousands and thousands of lost hours of work productivity and millions and millions of lost dollars as a result… at offices around the country. Are you familiar with the “Boss Button?” Chances are good that you have utilized it at work. Perhaps your office gets into a March Madness pool. I certainly get in numerous March Madness pools, and, every year, it seems like someone who does not even watch basketball wins the darn thing.

Now, it seems that NCAA officials are having preliminary discussions to expand the NCAA tournament. All of the specifics have yet to be ironed out and this is in the preliminary stages of development. However, the NCAA has an escape clause in its billion dollar deal with CBS after this year’s Final Four, so that is why expansion can be discussed.

One of the possibilities being presented is one in which an expansion from 65 teams to a field of 96 takes place. Supposedly, this would essentially merge the NIT (National Invitational Tournament, where the 32 next best teams are invited). If you have not heard about this idea, folks, you will soon enough – especially with college basketball now fully engulfed in conference play.

But, is expansion of THE tournament a good idea? That is where your favorite website comes into play (eh, that’s us, hopefully!) Both Babe Ruthless and Bleacher Fan have been invited to the TSD’s “Big Dance.”

Babe Ruthless will argue that expansion is a terrific idea and that more people get a bigger piece of the pie. Bleacher Fan, on the other hand, will argue that the expansion of the NCAA tournament is a horrific idea that waters down the field and, among other things, lessens the amount of reality TV he would be able to watch!

The field has been set. All pools are locked in. Please put your entry fee into the drop box located in the break room. The floor is yours!

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The NCAA Basketball Tournament Expansion Debate – The Really Big Dance

January 14, 2010

Read the debate intro and the opposing argument from Bleacher Fan about whether or not the NCAA Basketball Tournament should expand.



March Madness is about to explode into full fledged insanity. The NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament is exploring the potential of expanding and moving to cable. This is not a good idea… it is a GREAT idea.

Early estimates suggest that the tournament could grow from 65 teams to 96 teams. A tournament that big would be so full of no look passes, monster dunks, and buzzer beating upsets that it would be too much for broadcast television to handle, it would have to move to cable. This is big. This is really big, and of course bigger is always better. Think about it. What’s better than a 50-inch HDTV? A 72-inch HDTV. What’s better than a 100-foot yacht? A 200-foot yacht. I could go on, but I think you get my point. The tournament is already a billion dollar business and it is about to become even more lucrative.

From a financial standpoint this move is an absolute must. It would immediately result in more money for the NCAA. More teams generate more matchups. While that does increase ticket sales, the big money would come from the TV rights, which already account for approximately 90 percent of the current generated revenue. The NCAA would of course have to exercise its opt out clause and walk away from a 27-year relationship with CBS and more than two billion dollars in guaranteed money, but the potential is too great to ignore. The expanded tournament would certainly benefit the broadcaster as well. The equation is simple.

More teams = More games = More sponsors and commercials.

And of course the benefits trickle down to the participating teams and their respective schools. Unlike college football, college basketball does not have a bowl system that offers individual high profile season-ending matchups. Other than an invitation to the Big Dance the best a team can hope for is a spot in the NIT, but an expanded NCAA tournament would mean fewer disappointed teams. Tournament appearances can result in increases in every thing from ticket and apparel sales to admission applications. With all these benefits it is hard to believe that this idea has not been seriously explored sooner.

The NCAA tournament is ultra important for national exposure. It introduces some schools to America. In 1999, Winthrop University’s basketball team won its first Big South Conference title. As people built their brackets that year they had to research this small university in South Carolina, but their one big break with the tournament blossomed into a three-peat of tournament appearances and a first round victory over Notre Dame in 2007. For other schools the tournament means a Cinderella story, like the 2008 Davidson team who took a #10 ranking and advanced to the Elite Eight. The tournament cements a legacy, an iconic stature in the nation’s basketball memory for teams like Kentucky, Duke and UNC. The tournament makes schools and makes college basketball. It would be foolish not to encourage its growth.

Also, you have to believe that this is something that fans want. To the college basketball junkie the tournament is their moment in the sun. It is their opportunity to boast fictitious degrees (i.e. Masters of Bracketology and PHD in Krzyzewski-tology) that actually impress their friends. To the March Madness faithful, expanding the tournament is like introducing Daylight Savings Time, it actually adds productive hours to their life. The idea is an instant winner.

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