The NFL Rookie Pay Scale Debate – A Pay Scale in the NFL is Un-American

August 12, 2009

Read the debate intro, Loyal Homer’s argument in favor of a rookie pay scale in the NFL and Bleacher Fan’s argument against it.



The NFL is very conscious of their image. Several factors lead an analytical person like me to this conclusion. One, the commissioner, Roger Goodell, cut his teeth in the NFL in the public relations part of the business. Two, the league seems to care a great deal about making a public show of punishment for the players who fall outside of their new conduct policy. Three, they enforce community service (hey, it is not always BAD to be image conscious). Four, the players are (well mostly receivers).

It is that general self-awareness the league touts that makes this issue of a rookie pay scale so bizarre. If the league cares so much about their perception, why would they have a backwards system of rewarding unproven players with massive contracts? It defies logic because the players are being rewarded for what they hope are “future truths” or “trust me” contracts. Considering the value of the contracts, that is no small act of faith on the part of the organization. That is why the general manager gets fired so much. They simply cannot afford to be wrong more than once.

As for the debate, good points are made on both sides. Loyal Homer is correct in his fan-driven head-scratching when considering the backwards logic of professional contracts to rookies. But, the basis of Loyal Homer’s argument is that the players who enter the draft are unproven. While it may be true that the players are unproven at the professional level, the gap between high-quality college football and low quality professional football is not that wide. In fact, that is probably why so many college players are not judged on their talents in the collegiate ranks but on their potential in the pros (though that is likely a debate for another day).

Despite the reluctance on the part of fans to accept a holdout and sign a rookie to a huge future truth contract, it is a practice that works for both the players and the teams. As Bleacher Fan points out, the teams do a good job of evaluating talent in general and assume the risk if they misread a player. If a draft pick is a bust that is a responsibility of the organization, not the player. The organization assumes the draft rights and the burden of signing a player. It is well within the realm of reason to let the market dictate the value of a player – proven or not. It is the same principle as free agency, only with inexperience players at the professional level. Instituting a pay scale for rookies is a double standard in the league, and a double standard that penalizes the veterans – something the league is not likely to do.

Though I am awarding the debate win to Bleacher Fan, I feel like there is a compromise here. Bleacher Fan makes a very thorough, researched point about the relative success of player evaluations and contract value for picks inside the top ten of the draft (they cannot all be good picks… the league still has the Bungals in it). As the talent dwindles with each passing pick on draft day, it makes sense for a pay scale to kick in at some point. Does the 20th player selected really need to hold out for a few extra dollars of guaranteed money? No. If a pay scale does ever come to fruition, limiting it to the players who fall outside of the top ten in the draft makes sense. Market forces can play out with the cream of the crop, but with the remaining players, heavily incentive-laden deals under a predetermined structure could make sense for players and organizations alike.

On the surface it sure seems like any rookie hold out situation sucks, especially from the fans perspective (the most important perspective, by the way). But it is a reflection of the American economic principles of fair market value and the guidance of the invisible hand, and it is what is best for talented players and risk-taking teams.

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The NFL Rookie Pay Scale Debate – “Tell Them What You Are Going To Do In The Future”

August 11, 2009

Read the debate intro and Loyal Homer’s argument that there should be a structured system which dictates an NFL Rookie’s contract.



“The first principle of contract negotiation is don’t remind them of what you did in the past; tell them what you are going to do in the future.”
-Stan Musial

If Roger Goodell and the NFL move toward a program of structuring rookie salaries, it would accomplish nothing more than to punish both the teams AND the players.

First, it punishes the team because it restricts their ability to dictate how they can administer their salaries.

The NFL Salary Cap already exists to govern and restrict the amount of money that a team can spend on player salaries. In the simplest of explanations, each team is given an allotted dollar amount that they can distribute among their players as they see fit. It is up to each team to determine for itself how to spend the money.

If, for example, Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis wants to spend $61M on quarterback JaMarcus Russell before he even takes a snap in professional play, shouldn’t that be his prerogative? While you or I may believe that it is foolish to offer that kind of money to an unproven player, it is ultimately Al Davis’ team. If he is okay with spending his money in that manner, then I say let him! There is no rule forcing the NFL team to sign these players. Ultimately, the team has to make the decision as to whether or not they feel the player is worth the value they are assigning him, not the other way around.

Consider Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn as a perfect example of this. Following the drama around his selection in the draft, Quinn decided to hold out from training camp his rookie season. Although he was selected as the 22nd pick, he (or should I say his agent, Tom Condon) felt that he was still deserving of the salary of a top ten pick. The Browns, however, disagreed. In the end, Quinn ended up missing the first 12 days of his rookie training camp before finally signing an agreement with the Browns. What did he gain from this holdout? He earned only an additional $250K in guaranteed money, and many feel the holdout cost him the opportunity at being named the Browns starter since he was so delayed in joining the team. The current system allows each team the autonomy to assign their own value to the players they draft, rather than have the value dictated to them.

Second, this policy punishes the players. Sure, there will be some “busts” in the draft who prosper from negotiated contracts, but the alternative is to strip away the earning power of a rookie who DOES perform exceedingly well.

It is true that teams cannot predict the future, and for every Peyton Manning (viewed as one of the ten best number one picks in history) there is also a Tim Couch (viewed as one of the ten worst picks). Rather than look at individual examples we can examine ALL of the top ten draft picks since 2000 to provide us with a better overall picture of the type of talent which comes from those players.

In 2008, Jake Long and the Miami Dolphins were criticized because of the high dollar amount he received as an “untested” player. Long, however, went on to be named to a Pro Bowl. Another top ten draft pick from 2008 who I feel was DESERVING of a Pro Bowl bid last year (he at a minimum earned his salary) was quarterback Matt Ryan, selected by the Atlanta Falcons.

For the remaining top ten picks still under the terms of their “rookie” contract (2005, 2006, 2007), 20% of those players have been named to at least one Pro Bowl. Players like running back Adrian Peterson of the Minnesota Vikings and left tackle Joe Thomas of the Cleveland Browns come to mind as other players named to the Pro Bowl as rookies.

For the years of 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004, that number increases dramatically. Of the 50 players selected in the top ten positions of their respective drafts during that timeframe, 28 of them (56%) have gone on to be named Pro Bowlers. That means that more than half of the players selected as top ten picks have developed into being considered the best players in their position.

Talent does not know age. Since 2000, approximately 40% of all the players selected as top ten picks have been named to the Pro Bowl (and that number INCLUDES the 2008 rookie class), which is proof of the very high caliber of talent coming from those selections. Since those players have a very strong likelihood of being classified as ‘best in position’ they deserve the same right to negotiate contracts as any “tenured” player in the league. Any move by the league to restrict a rookie’s salary would essentially classify them as sub-standard players until they “prove” themselves, DESPITE historical evidence which indicates otherwise.

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The NFL Rookie Pay Scale Debate – Stop the Madness and Set the Salary

August 11, 2009

Read the debate intro and Bleacher Fan’s argument against implementing a rookie pay scale.



In these tough times, don’t you get tired of hearing about financial issues on the news? Not only is it bad on Wall Street but it is rough in sports, also. Franchises and organizations are cutting back on expenses and eliminating jobs. Attendance is down at sporting events, and revenue is down across the board.

Apparently, NFL rookies do not watch CNN or ESPN!!

Let me go ahead and get this out of the way. I am not in favor of holdouts period. Not by rookies, not by veterans. Just last week, Atlanta Falcons wide receiver Roddy White held out for a week. Fortunately for the Falcons (and really for White) he agreed to a lucrative (and perhaps excessive) contract over the weekend. Veterans have their own reasons for holding out, and though I may not agree with the concept, I guess I can see their point of view.

But, what leg do rookies have to stand on when holding out? What good really comes out of it in the long haul? They miss a lot of training camp, get way behind in learning the playbook, and miss bonding with their new teammates. You know how it takes you awhile to get to know the new guy in the cubicle next to you at work? The same concept applies in football. It takes time for that work chemistry to work. Holding out endangers that whole process. I cannot imagine how a rookie holding out endears himself to his veteran teammates.

A set rookie salary scale will alleviate these problems. The contracts that Matthew Stafford signed this year, and that Matt Ryan signed last year, are just ridiculous. I am not the only one who thought Ryan’s contract was “disheartening.” To eliminate these contracts, the NFL needs to come up with a rookie salary scale, similar to what the NBA does. The league and the players union can negotiate to come up with an appropriate scale based on a variety of factors. The number one pick would have a predetermined salary. Michael Crabtree would have a set salary, so he would not be able to hold out for a better contract. This would be welcomed by most veterans of the league, many of whom believe in earning money before becoming one of the richest guys in a league. When the contract is up after three or four or however many years, then the player is eligible to sign a big extension. If a player is unable to reach an agreement with a team, then they are free to test the open market. The NBA has proven that this system can work. I think it could work in the NFL.

Do you think it is fair for Matthew Stafford to be making more than Albert Haynesworth at this point in Stafford’s career? Maybe Stafford plays incredibly well over the course of the contract and it ends up being a bargain contract. But you cannot say that at this point without him ever having taken a snap. The madness has to stop! Stop it now! Scale it down before it is too late! It is only going to get worse!

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The NFL Rookie Pay Scale Debate – Does the NFL Need to Regulate Rookie Salaries?

August 11, 2009

Read Loyal Homer’s argument in favor of a rookie pay scale in the NFL and Bleacher Fan’s argument against it.



San Francisco 49ers first round draft pick, wide receiver Michael Crabtree, is making quite a fuss. Crabtree, drafted tenth overall in the 2009 NFL Draft, is seeking a rookie contract worth more than $23.5M in guaranteed money. When the Oakland Raiders took Maryland wide receiver Darius Heyward-Bey with the seventh overall pick, the 49ers undoubtedly believed they had the leverage they needed to get Crabtree into camp on time. Heyward-Bey would sign the first wide receiver contract, and the Crabtree’s would fall in line behind it.

But, that is not exactly how events are transpiring. Crabtree is apparently expecting a contract value higher than that of the seventh overall pick, given his (and his agent’s) belief that he was the best wide receiver in the draft. Does that logic make sense? Maybe only to an agent… and a cousin. Crabtree’s cousin/advisor, David Wells (no, not that one) has informed anyone within earshot that Crabtree is so put off by the 49ers inability to award him seventh overall-type money that the receiver is willing to sit out the entire 2009 season and re-enter the draft in 2010. Brilliant, right????

Sure, it is the age old problem with rookies and agents. They place their value higher than the league does AND they fail to understand that, on rare occasions, NFL teams draft according to NEED, not to the frustratingly subjective “talent.” But, I digress.

What Crabtree’s situation does put into perspective is the oft-discussed rookie pay scale in the NFL. This type of situation would not arise if rookies in the NFL were each paid according to the position they were drafted. The NFL would control the scale, and it would be increased year by year according to the changes in the salary cap, revenue sharing agreements, so on and so forth.

Crabtree’s situation is not unique, either. Number one overall pick Matthew Stafford is getting $41.7M in guaranteed money from the Detroit Lions. For perspective, that’s $0.7M more than proven, game-changing defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is getting from the chronically overpaying Washington Redskins. Huge rookie salaries and rookie contract hold outs are as certain as an August gathering in Canton.

The NFL chief punisher/commissioner, Roger Goodell, assured college football players last December that a rookie pay scale would not be instituted until 2011, at the earliest. But, it appears it is an option on the table – at least in New York. Goodell “officially” favors a system that affords rookies all a predetermined contract level plus the opportunity to renegotiate their deal once they have proven themselves. Since team owners are known for their good natured benevolence, it seems certain this approach would work. (I sure hope you readers are picking up on this sarcasm.)

What our fearless debaters will address today is…

Does the NFL need a rookie pay scale?

Loyal Homer will argue in favor of a rookie pay scale regulating all NFL rookie salaries to a set level while Bleacher Fan will argue against the need for a rookie pay scale.

Gentlemen, you are on the clock.

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The 2009 College Football Most Important Game of the Season Debate – Red River Showdown

August 10, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument that Virginia Tech at Georgia Tech is the most important game of the season and Bleacher Fan’s argument that USC at Ohio State is the most important game .



Every year, there are big games in college football. There are games that get the people talking at work the week of the game. There are games that get The Sports Debates talking about as soon as possible. This week, we are going to take a look at a game that each of us the writers believes is important for various reasons. The game that I have chosen to label as the most important of the season is the annual Red River Rivalry between the Oklahoma Sooners and the Texas Longhorns that takes place the week of the Texas State Fair.

This year, the game will be played October 17th in Dallas. And there’s a decent chance that both teams will be undefeated going into that game. It will not be the first time, and it probably will not be the last time the game involves two undefeated teams. It was the case last year, when Texas knocked off then #1 Oklahoma 45-35.

This year’s contest promises to be the most important game of the season. In the preseason coaches poll released last Friday, Texas is ranked second and Oklahoma is ranked third. Both teams return Heisman trophy contenders in Longhorn quarterback Colt McCoy and Sooners quarterback, and reigning Heisman winner, Sam Bradford.

The winner of this game has an inside track to the conference championship game (and potential BCS berth) as the winner of the Big 12 South conference. The winner does not always win the division though. If you will recall from last year, Texas didn’t win the conference. I think we can all agree that Florida, Texas, and Oklahoma are a little ahead of the other contenders at the point, due to who they have returning at the skill positions. The winner of this game will have a leg up on the other in the race to the BCS Championship game. Anything less than a berth in the championship would have to be considered a disappointment for Texas or Oklahoma, right?

I also think it is a big game for Oklahoma head coach Bob Stoops, who no longer deserves to be called “Big Game Bob.” He needs this one to help remove the stigma of people thinking Oklahoma can longer win the big game. Losing to Florida, West Virginia, and Boise State in BCS bowls the past three years have somewhat dampened his reputation. A win over an archrival would keep the fans and alumni happy and help get the media off his back. He is certainly not on the hot seat, but it is time for him to take his team to the top again. This could be the year.

Bleacher Fan and Sports Geek both have their reasons for choosing their games as the most important games. But when all is said and done, the battle in Texas is going to go a long way in charting the course for the rest of the college football season. It is a day that Loyal Homer is thoroughly looking forward to. I have a date with the recliner set up for that day!

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The 2009 College Football Most Important Game of the Season Debate – Under Pressure!

August 10, 2009

Read Sports Geek and Loyal Homer’s argument about which football game of the 2009 college season will be the most important, and why.



With teams like Florida (yes, I am calling out Urban Meyer, Tim Tebow, and the rest of Gator Nation) choosing the cupcake path of least resistance to hopefully ensure their spot in BCS play, there are other more respectable schools that have chosen to prove their worth through a trial by fire… and the entire nation of college football fans appreciate their boldness and daring!

As a result, we will be treated to two matchups, before we even see the third week of the season, which will shape the BCS picture for the entire year. The first of these games features #5 Alabama on the road against #7 ranked Virginia Tech, September 5th. The second is a September 12th rematch of last year’s hyped matchup with #4 Southern Cal travelling to Columbus to take on #6 ranked Ohio State.

Both games feature top-10 teams, each from a different major conference. In each case, the teams involved have some a chip on their shoulder, and each team has an opportunity to position itself for very early BCS consideration. Both are “can’t miss” games and both should be very entertaining. But in the discussion of which is most important, one of those two games emerges as the clear choice.

While the Alabama-Virginia Tech game provides both teams with an opportunity to prove that last year’s success was more than just luck, it is the USC-Ohio State matchup with much farther reaching implications.

For going on ten years, Ohio State and USC have been the respective kings of their conference. Ohio State has won at least a share of the Big Ten championship for four consecutive years (many expect 2009 to be a fifth), and a total of five conference titles since 2002. USC has had similar success, winning at least a share of every Pac-10 title since 2002. Both have also played in multiple BCS Championship games during that time frame, with Ohio State winning the title in 2002, and USC taking the crown in 2004.

While fans of the Trojans and Buckeyes are happy to see their teams annually compete in BCS matchups, extended periods of dominance like those seen by Ohio State and USC can have a secondary impact which is not good. People may be happy to credit those programs with long-term success, but they begin to doubt the relative strength of the competition those teams face. As a result, the Pac-10 and Big Ten have come under much fire in recent years for being sub-standard conferences.

What has given the Big XII and SEC so much leverage in recent seasons is the increased level of competition within the conference. How can Texas (for example) dominate the Big XII year in and year out when teams like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas Tech, Kansas, or Missouri, continue to also perform at exceptionally high levels? Within the SEC, Florida, LSU, Alabama, and Georgia are regularly discussed in BCS conversations.

But in the Big Ten (for example), it is Ohio State, then Penn State, and then everyone else. None of the teams have provided any real level of competition to elevate the play of the conference. Michigan, who USED to be the class of the Big Ten, has not beaten Ohio State in six years, and has recently lost to Appalachian State and Toledo. The Big Ten has also failed to perform during Bowl games, turning in a record of 1-6 last year, and a record of 8-20 in Bowl Games since the 2005 season.

As for the Pac-10, it has not been much of a conference at all since Pete Carroll came to town. As head coach for the USC Trojans, Carroll has compiled an astonishing record of 85-15, complete with seven conference titles in only nine years at the helm.

This lack of depth has diminished the credibility that a Big Ten or Pac-10 schedule once had. Last week, Mark Schlabach of ESPN.com even went so far as to say that the ACC is a better conference, placing them at third on his conference rankings with the Pac-10 (fourth) and Big Ten (fifth) in tow.

So what, exactly, is at stake?

For the winner – They will be able to claim a QUALITY win over a very talented opponent. That team will have staked their bid for the National Championship game before teams like Florida, Texas, or Oklahoma have even had an opportunity to get their clothes dirty. They will be in full control of their own destiny, and will have a relatively uncontested path towards yet another conference title, complete with a probable BCS invitation.

For the loser – The damage done to the reputation of the conference may be insurmountable. This game will serve as further proof that the losing conference is very deserving of the criticism they have received thus far. The “best” that the conference has to offer was not good enough when matched against another quality non-conference opponent, and the entire conference will suffer.

Talk about PRESSURE!

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The 2009 College Football Most Important Game of the Season Debate – ACC Football Seeks Respect, Leadership

August 10, 2009

Read Loyal Homer and Bleacher Fan’s argument for their most important game of the upcoming 2009 college football season.



If you’re a loyal reader of The Sports Debates (and why wouldn’t you be?) you may recall our recent questioning of the Big East as a football conference and whether or not they deserved an automatic BCS bowl game for their conference champion. That topic generated a great deal of additional debate after the verdict was rendered, and the primary argument from those defending the honor of the Big East was that the ACC sucks too, so, lay off the Big East. While I still do not believe that is a valid argument within the context of the Big East-BCS debate (e.g. “that other guy punched someone in the face so I can punch someone in the face, too”), it is fair to call into question how deserving the ACC is. The facts indicate that the ACC has struggled for respect as a football conference. They have performed below expectations in BCS games, selecting the conference winner is not important enough for fans to actually attend the championship game, and since Florida State’s precipitous fall from grace (both on and off the field) the conference has lacked true leadership from a dominant team.

This season, 2009, is the season that turns that around for the ACC. That’s why the most important game in college football’s 2009 season is on October 17th when Georgia Tech hosts Virginia Tech. These two teams are the best in the Coastal Division, with the best offense and defense in the entire league, respectively. In fact, Georgia Tech’s offense and Virginia Tech’s defense were the talk of the ACC’s media week… and with good reason.

The Rambin’ Wreck are destroying defenses with a “fresh” offensive look, as engineered by second year head coach Paul Johnson (you know, the coach that turned Navy into a respectable team). When executed properly, it is a very difficult offense to stop – especially with all-ACC running backs like the stocky and powerful Jonathan Dwyer and the lightning fast Roddy Jones. Bruising backups Anthony Allen and Lucas Cox, combined with the quick Marcus Wright and Embry Peoples, make for the deepest backfield in all of college football. Any combination of those runners may be in the game at the same time, and all have big play potential. Plus the triple option is a tough offense to prepare for (especially considering I did not even mention quarterback Josh Nesbitt). The media writes entire articles only on a team getting READY to play this offense. (Something to watch for: the triple option may be to the ACC what the spread offense is to the SEC. If teams have a hard time stopping it, look for more teams to run it in the near future.)

The decidedly unenviable task of stopping this multi-faceted attack falls to the Virginia Tech defense, led by the great defensive coordinator Bud Foster. Foster’s defenses are known for toughness and discipline (that whole lunch pail thing), and he’ll need to coach up every last element of each for the Hokies to outlast the Yellow Jackets. The inclination to make a play on defense is a sure-fire way for a player to overrun an option play. Foster must teach discipline and focus in addition to the usual toughness that all of his defenses have. Last year’s defense finished the season with a BCS bowl win over Cincinnati and ranked seventh overall in team defense (ninth in scoring, 14th in rushing and 16th in passing). If any defense can take on the increasingly seasoned triple option attack at Georgia Tech, it’s the Hokies’.

Power in the ACC will shift with the outcome of this game. If Georgia Tech wins, the triple option is the story of the season in the ACC and Georgia Tech is positioning itself as the conference superpower. If Virginia Tech wins, they will further cement their status as the ACC’s benchmark for success and the league’s domain team.

Last year Virginia Tech hosted the game in Blacksburg and won by a field goal. This year the Hokies must go on the road and play in Atlanta in the thick of their ACC conference schedule. This crucial game is sandwiched between Boston College and North Carolina. If the Hokies win, it is a big time, legitimate win on a national scale.

Not only will this be an excellent and compelling matchup within the first six weeks of the season, this game has extremely important ramifications. The winner could go on to dominate the conference and win a BCS bowl game. For the ACC to regain a modicum of respect amongst the college football elite teams and talking heads, they need to field at least one dominant program. No pundit or fan buys the idea that the ACC suffers from excessive balance. The oft-talked balance looks a whole like mediocrity. This game could change the critical tone.

Bottom line, if the ACC proves itself worthy, college football as a whole improves. Sure, Texas will be good, Florida will be good, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will draw attention, BYU could spoil the BCS party, and Ohio State or Penn State could earn respect this season. But, we all know those teams are good, and will be good for years to come. This is a pivotal year for the ACC as a football conference. They need to earn respect now. Planting the seeds of respect this year will catapult the ACC to respectability. That’s why the “Battle of the Techs” is the most important game in college football this year. It may potentially sound the football death knell for a long established conference, or bring the fight back to the ACC, and respect back to the gridiron – instead of just being the South’s OTHER conference.

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The Most Hated Person of All Time Debate – An Ode To Art Modell… Let Me Count The Ways!

August 7, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument about George Steinbrenner, and Loyal Homer’s argument that Barry Bonds is the most hated person in sports of all time.

They say that Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

Well, if Nero were alive today, I know where you would find him. He’d be eating a hot dog in the owner’s box at M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore, proudly smiling as he sat alongside his prized pupil, Art Modell.

Art Modell is the most hated man in sports of all-time. End of story. The road of his legacy is littered with the remains of one of the greatest football teams in the history of the game. Piece by piece, Modell set upon a path of self-serving greed and egotism that single-handedly resulted in the dismantling of legends. With no direct ties to the city he would eventually destroy, he swept in like a plague of locusts, feeding off of the hopes, dreams, and expendable income of a hard-working, blue-collar city. And when the last drop of blood was sucked dry and he could take no more from that city, he left. There was no remorse, no pity, and no consolation for those left behind.

A New York businessman by trade, Modell became owner of the Cleveland Browns in 1961, having purchased the team for $4 million.

This was no ordinary team he had just purchased, though. The Cleveland Browns were THE team to beat when this transaction took place. The Browns, coached by Paul Brown and led by Hall of Fame players like Otto Graham, Jim Brown, Marion Motley, Lou Groza, and Dante Lavelli, were perennial championship contenders. In fact, during the 1950s, the Browns won conference championships in 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, and 1957, and won league championships in 1950, 1954, and 1955. To this day, no football franchise has even come close to that level of domination for such an extended period.

Cleveland was also considered the adopted home of professional football. With the Professional Football Hall of Fame now residing in nearby Canton, many people accept Cleveland as the symbolic birthplace for the game.

The point that I am trying to make is that Art Modell was basically being given the keys to the entire kingdom of football. That, however, wasn’t good enough for Art.

Applying his business mentality to the game of football, Modell immediately set about plans to make sure that the Browns operated “HIS” way. HE was the owner, HE was the boss, and he didn’t care what worked before. It was HIS team now, and what HE said was gospel!

Well, after two seasons of not making the postseason, Modell felt that it was time for a change, so he fired head coach Paul Brown.

I’m going to let that sink in for a moment.

Paul Brown, the father of the modern offense, one of the founders of the team (the team was even NAMED after him for pete’s sake!), a championship coach for the Massillon Tigers, The Ohio State Buckeyes, and the Browns, was fired because he didn’t make the playoffs for two years.

What did he know, anyway, right? He was just a dumb coach… Modell was the REAL brains of the operation!

As if firing the greatest coach of all time wasn’t a big enough jewel for the crown of King Modell, 3 years later he would become responsible for the early departure of the greatest player of all time. That’s right, after firing Paul Brown, Art Modell is the reason that Jim Brown quit the game.

Rather than permit Jim Brown, many of whose accomplishments on the field still have not been repeated, to report late to training camp, Modell threatened to suspend the greatest player of all time without pay. In response, Brown, who believed that being a professional football player would not be a life-long career anyway, retired from the game.

I (and the many passionate fans like me who bleed orange and brown) wish that I could tell you the story ended there. Sadly, I must go on.

You see, after winning the NFL championship on the heels of Jim Brown’s dominance in 1964, Art Modell’s guidance and involvement in the operations of the Cleveland Browns was so great that the Browns never won another championship game. That’s right, a team that couldn’t be beaten PRE-Modell has been in a 45 year dead-drop POST-Modell involvement. He did such a good job with his involvement that the team which couldn’t lose became a team which couldn’t win.

And after putting the city of Cleveland through more than 30 years of turmoil, grief, and agony, Art Modell decided that he had enough, so he just packed up his things and took the greatest football team in history and moved them out of the city.

In summary, Art Modell fired the greatest coach of all time, forced out the greatest player of all time, and closed down the greatest team of all time. Case closed. Now if you’ll excuse me, I feel nautious.

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The All-Time Most Hated Person in Sports Debate – George Steinbrenner, the Lord of the Evil Empire

August 7, 2009

Read the Bleacher Fan’s argument about Art Modell and Loyal Homer’s argument about Barry Bonds.

Forbes, of all established publications, recently put out their list of the top ten most hated people in sports – currently. Of course, that got us thinking at one of our production meetings, who is the most hated person in sports of ALL TIME?

For me, that answer comes easily and quickly – either Marvin Miller, architect of the concept of free agency in sports, or former New York Yankees owner, and Lord of the Evil Empire, George Steinbrenner. It was close because free agency has drastically altered the course of American sports. But, while free agency has changed the landscape, no person in sports espoused its abuse like George Steinbrenner.

The Steinbrenner family has a boatload of money – literally. The family business, Kinsman Marine Transit Company, was a shipping company that emphasized grain shipments throughout the Great Lakes. George, the third in a line of George Steinbrenner’s used a portion of the billions from the shipping company to purchase the New York Yankees in early 1973 – the most storied franchise in sports at the time (and maybe still?). Interestingly, he had a failed bid to buy the Cleveland Indians shortly before the Yankees were put on the market by the owner at the time, CBS. The cost for the Yankees was $10M.

Steinbrenner draws such disgust from the general sports fan because of the negative influence he has had on sports as a whole. The dominant sports philosophy of growing a team organically to success was radically changed. Steinbrenner favored throwing money around to bring in big name free agents, creating massive disparity between good and bad teams, perpetuating the struggles of teams that failed to win, and giving birth to the teams that “have” versus team that “have not” disparity that now dominates the modern sports landscape. Steinbrenner became an icon for a lack of fairness in sports.

While those are big picture fan disputes with Steinbrenner, his own team’s fans had plenty to take issue with, too. In the first 23 seasons Steinbrenner ran the team, he changed managers 20 times. Twenty! He fired Billy Martin five times! He fired 11 general managers in 30 years. The Steinbrenner imposed grooming policy (no long hair, no facial hair unless it is a well trimmed mustache) also made him occasionally unpopular with players.

Steinbrenner even managed to upset the general non-sports-viewing public with his political maneuvers. Steinbrenner plead guilty to making illegal contributions to President Richard Nixon’s re-election campaign, including obstructing justice. He received a two year ban from baseball as a result, though President Ronald Reagan pardoned Steinbrenner in one of his final acts as Commander in Chief. It must be nice to have friends in high places.

Back to baseball, Steinbrenner was known for pulling suspicious stunts to motivate the team. After losing game five of the 1981 World Series he claimed he got into a fight with two Los Angeles Dodger fans and had a cast on his hand and a fat lip to prove it.

Then there’s the Dave Winfield situation. Obviously one of the great all-time players, Steinbrenner promised, in Winfield’s contract, to pay the Winfield Foundation $300,000. Steinbrenner refused to pay and paid someone $40,000 to dig up dirt on Winfield.

The list goes on. I could spend another 5,000 words describing how and why George Steinbrenner is disliked. Hated. The most hated person in sports because he made his team dislike him, the fans of his team, the other owners, his employees, and even the general public with his various criminal doings. He turned the New York Yankees into an organization nicknamed The Evil Empire. There’s no denying the impression he’s left on the sporting world. Too bad it’s a negative one.

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The All-Time Most Hated Person in Sports Debate – Loyal Homer is Not Loyal to Bonds

August 7, 2009

Read Sports Geek’s argument on why George Steinbrenner is the most hated person ever in sports and Bleacher Fan’s argument for Art Modell.

Thank goodness it’s Friday, guys and gals. A long week has come to a close. Be sure to check back next week as we have multiple football topics on the horizon. In the meantime, let’s have a good King of the Hill debate today. Usually, we like to spread the love here at The Sports Debates. But today we are spreading the hate! Who do you hate the most in sports? They don’t even have to be” active” in sports right now! Upon hearing the criteria, one name came to mind for me immediately… and that name is Barry Bonds.

My dislike for Bonds started in the early 1990’s, long before he became linked to performance enhancing drugs and was an important figure in the BALCO scandal. Being a Braves fan, I gladly rooted against him when he was with Pittsburgh in the 1991 and 1992 NLCS. It tickled me to death to know that slow footed Sid Bream beat his throw to the plate in the 1992 NLCS. Then the Braves were in a pennant race with the Giants in 1993, his first year out there in Trolley Land. This all happened before the cloud (actually I should say clouds) of suspicion came over his head! He was a skinny and fast left fielder back then. Go back and look at then and now pictures. Then and now! He says he grew all his muscle by following a strict workout regime. Hmmmm…

If you think about it, what is there to really like about Bonds, unless you are a San Francisco Giants fan? There’s no denying the fact that he is a tremendous hitter, before and after the accusations. But, what about his ties to BALCO? What about being indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice? Heck, he has had so many legal problems that there is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to it. What about withdrawing from the MLBPA licensing agreement? Because of that, when I played a video game on Playstation, I had to pitch against some phantom player instead of against Bonds? Too good for your own union, huh, Barry? He’s had two books written, basically, against him. Game of Shadows and Love Me, Hate Me. What about just being a complete jerk to the media? One good thing came out of Barry Bonds’ career though. I developed an appreciation for Jeff Kent after their altercation back in 2002.

Unfortunately, Bonds ended his career with a record 762 career home runs, including 73 in one season. Whether or not they are tainted will not be addressed by Loyal Homer. Perhaps another debate. Time will tell if he makes into the Hall of Fame. That, too, is perhaps another debate on down the line. But, what is not up for debate is Barry’s status as an anti-hero. Just typing about him makes my blood pressure shoot up. The next time the doctor asks me why my blood pressure is high, I’m going to say, “Well Doc, I’ve been eating healthy, I’ve been walking a lot, and I’ve been drinking a lot… but dadgumit, I saw Barry Bonds’ name on TV today and it just made my heart race.”

There is one thing I can cling to though… I never have to see him in uniform again, unless it is a prison uniform maybe!

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