This is sure to be a popular topic with our friends in the Northeast!
Sports Geek poses the question in today’s debate about whether or not the Big East is still deserving of its guaranteed BCS bid. I most definitely say NO!
Let’s take a look at last year (2008).
West Virginia came into the season as the team to beat, despite the fact that head coach Rich Rodriguez left for the supposedly greener pastures in Michigan. However, with the momentum from the 48-28 trouncing of Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl, and the return of Pat White, things were still looking up in Morgantown. (On a side note, does a victory over Oklahoma in a BCS game really mean anything these days?)
But the Mountaineers struggled all season, and limped to a 9-4 record with a loss to an 8-5 North Carolina team in the Meineke Car Care Bowl.
I will give Cincinnati credit. They won the Big East by going 11-3 – even with a loss to an average Virginia Tech team in the Orange Bowl – and finished the season ranked in the top 20. Head coach Brian Kelly has that team on the rise, and Sports Geek and I can stake claim to witnessing Kelly dominate Division II football earlier this decade when he was coaching Grand Valley State. But, winning the Big East in football is like Memphis winning Conference USA in basketball or like beating your two-year-old sister in a game of Madden on PlayStation 3. What have you really accomplished?
I would discuss Pittsburgh some, but year in and year out – especially since Dave Wannstedt came back to “save” the program – they have been inconsistent showing they are not yet ready for the big stage. They couldn’t even fill up Heinz Field for the season opener against Bowling Green (who they lost to, by the way). Only 45,063 showed up for the season opener. For the record, “Ketchup Field” has a capacity of 65,050.
Truth be told, I think the Big East is still living off of just one good performance this entire decade, the 2006 Sugar Bowl. West Virginia knocked off heavy favorite Georgia 38-35 in Atlanta (it wasn’t in New Orleans that year due to Hurricane Katrina) behind outstanding performances from White and running back Steve Slaton.
In 2007, West Virginia actually had a shot to play for the national championship. All the Mountaineers had to do was beat rival Pitt in the Backyard Brawl, at home in Morgantown, and it was likely they would play in the BCS Championship game. But, with all the pressure on them, West Virginia folded and lost 13-9. If WVU wins that game, and was able to win the championship that year, we would not be debating this issue.
The fact is that the Big East isn’t ready for prime time and that’s obvious from their recent history. I’m not even sure enough people in Big East country even care, outside of Morgantown. As far as attendance goes for the entire conference, the numbers don’t lie. The average attendance at a Big East game in 2008 was 42,995, with West Virginia averaging 58,085 to lead the conference. Four schools (Louisville, Connecticut, Syracuse, and Cincinnati) averaged less than 40,000 fans at each game. Folks, that’s terrible, and borderline embarrassing.
The Big East is undeserving of a BCS bid, and I think everyone outside of the Northeast agrees with me.
Does everyone remember their SAT analogies? Let’s try one. Orange is to fruit what lettuce is to… ? Yup, vegetables. Very good. Here’s another one. The Big East Conference is to football what Crystal Pepsi is to cola. Er, was.
Recent history has not been kind to Big East football. It all began in 2004 when the University of Miami and Virginia Tech decided to leave the confines of the Big East for greener pastures in the Atlanta Coast Conference. Once a proud conference boasting 16 teams (only eight participate in football) and consistent college football relevance, the migration of those two powerhouses, followed by solid Boston College in 2005, has ripped the conference’s football guts out. The Big East was forced to turn to football poor Conference USA to make up for the lost teams, bringing in Louisville, University of South Florida, and Cincinnati.
The mark of a great football team – and by extension a great conference – is how well they perform in pressure-filled road games. In each of the last four years, only one football program in the entire conference has a winning road record. One. That team is West Virginia with an impressive 11-3 road record (though it remains to be seen how well they’ll do without Pat White under center). In fact, only four schools (five seasons in total) have had just one winning season in the last four years. Unimpressive.
There are little talking points that media guide aficionados will use to claim the Big East has maintained its football relevance in 2009. Items like the fact that Pittsburgh is returning 15 starters. But, Cincinnati is returning only one starter on defense (and they are not returning their defensive coordinator, either). Syracuse has had 14 scholarship players defect since new coach Doug Marrone arrived, forcing many freshman and inexperienced players into high profile roles in the coming season. I could go on…
While the past four years have been tough, signs point to another struggle this year for Big East football.
Which brings us today’s question: Does the Big East still deserve an automatic conference BCS bowl bid?
Bleacher Fan will argue that the Big East is still one of the six best college football conferences and deserving of their automatic BCS bowl bid.
Loyal Homer will argue that the BCS has lost their legitimate right to an automatic conference BCS bowl bid.
Apologies to our friends in upstate New York and Big East country. But, this is worth debating only because of how the Big East has played in the last four years. Even you have to admit they’ve been awful.
Good luck to the debaters. I hope neither of you “pulls a Big East.”
While my colleges have largely concentrated on defining the best divisional race of the MLB’s second-half of quality alone, studying the NL Central proves that both quality and quantity are possible. The division leading St. Louis Cardinals are just 2.5 games up on the second place Milwaukee Brewers. The ever-dangerous and to date disappointing Chicago Cubs – as badly as they’ve played this injury-riddled season – are just 3.5 games back of the leader. They’re tied with the Houston Astros who started poorly but have rebounded thanks to consistent offense and a good bullpen. The Cincinnati Reds have gotten some bad injury news of late, but still factor in to the race with an always aggressive Walt Jocketty serving as the team’s general manager.
Like Bleacher Fan pointed out about the AL Central, the NL Central falls victim to the same curse of balance – the division’s winner will be their lone representative in the post-season give how good the NL East has been this season. The NL Central is the only division in Major League Baseball with four teams at or above the .500 mark. The top five teams in the division are separated by just five games, with a few early season rain outs back-loading the schedule of a few teams, including the Cubs who have played the fewest games in baseball at 86.
Why is the division so close? Four of the league’s top seven best pitching staffs reside in the NL Central. And that does NOT include the Milwaukee Brewers. The Cardinals and the Cubs both have ERAs under 3.84. The Cardinals have walked the fewest opponents in the majors with only 265 while the Cubs are within striking distance of the most strike outs in the league with 662. The pitching is outstanding, and good pitching always leads to close games.
The Cardinals, Brewers, and Cubs all have winning records against their interdivision rivals, too. Unlike the AL Central, there is not one team that struggles against the division, or dominates – they’re as close to even as a division can be at this stage of the season.
Trades are exciting. The NL Central promises to be one of the most active divisions this season with trades. Because the teams are so bunched up, they must make some moves to set themselves apart.
Talk about a Hollywood script! The Cardinals routinely make a joke of the “odds” and the prognosticators, basically winning consistently with very little consistent hitting (besides that “Al” guy). The Cubs have the fourth worst on-base percentage in the NL, the second worst batting average and the second worst RBI – but still have managed to win 43 games. The Brewers have the fourth worst pitching staff in baseball, but sit 2.5 games back. The NL Central is truly defying the baseball odds this season.
Movies need stars, and the NL Central has plenty. The Cardinals have the biggest star in the game right now, first baseman Albert Pujols. The Cubs have third baseman Aramis Ramirez who just returned from injury, plus starting pitcher Carlos Zambrano. The Brewers have right fielder Ryan Braun and first baseman Prince Fielder (who is the subject of some of the best sports satire I’ve ever read).
With each team in the mood to buy at the trading deadline, it’s impossible to forecast how the next chapter in the division’s season will unfold. Unpredictability is part of what makes for a great race to the post-season. The NL Central has all of the ingredients to be the most exciting division race in baseball.
So, which division race will be the most exciting to watch as we move into MLB Season, Part Deux? For me, it’s gotta be the AL Central. Hollywood writers couldn’t have created a more perfect set-up for the drama, excitement, and eventual payoff that will come from this race. No other division in baseball is going to offer as much as the battle between the Detroit Tigers, Chicago White Sox, and Minnesota Twins.
Let’s break it down:
This will be a three team race.
Out of all three teams at the front of the AL Central, none have emerged as a clear favorite. When you consider head-to-head standings between these three teams, the Tigers (the current AL Central leaders) are a combined 6-10 against the White Sox and Twins. At the same time, the White Sox are a combined 9-8, and the Twins (currently the farthest back from Detroit) are a combined 10-7 against each other.
While the Tigers have built an early 3.5 game lead in the Central, their inability to perform against their primary competition calls into question whether or not they will effectively hold onto that lead.
There is little to no potential for a consolation prize.
In the AL Central, more than any other division, the race will truly be for all the marbles, meaning that the losers of the AL Central race have the least likelihood of contending for a wild card spot, as the likely winner will either come from the AL East or AL West. It’s do-or-die, and do-or-die is high drama.
To put it another way: Which is more exciting to watch in a seven game postseason series, game one or game seven? Game seven is more exciting because it’s do-or-die. Sure, teams WANT to win game one, but losing game one doesn’t mean you go home. There is greater pressure to succeed when you are in a do-or-die situation, making the stakes much higher.
This race is timed to peak perfectly.
What is rule number one for any great story? Don’t climax too early (okay, so that’s a rule for more than just story-telling, but I digress…).
In any race, the most dramatic games are when the contending teams actually play each other. People would rather watch the drama unfold on the field than watch for scoreboard updates from across the league. When I look at the close of the season for the White Sox, Twins, and Tigers, I have to stand up and cheer!
Rather than close their schedules against teams like the Indians, the Royals, or the Orioles, all three of these teams are scheduled to close their respective seasons out in epic fashion by facing off against each other. It’s the equivalent of starting the playoffs two to three weeks early.
In the Detroit Tigers final five series, they play the Twins and Indians, and then they play the White Sox, the Twins AGAIN, and then the White Sox AGAIN! That means 13 of their final 16 games are played against the very teams trying to knock them off the top of the mountain. When you consider their previous performance against those teams (winning only six of their first 16 combined meetings), it seems like an uphill battle… and they’re currently in first place!
The White Sox, in similar fashion, finish by playing Minnesota, Detroit, Cleveland, and then Detroit again. That makes for nine of their final 12 games against the other contenders.
Last, the Twins wrap up against the Tigers, the White Sox, the Royals, then the Tigers and Royals one more time (10 of their final 16 games against the division’s top teams).
The AL Central race will not be decided until the final games of the season, and will be decided ON THE FIELD, where the champion will be crowned because they earned it in blood, sweat, and tears!
Well folks, MLB has reached the All-Star break. The all stars get to enjoy the festivities in St. Louis, rest, and get ready for the second half of the season.
Five of the six divisions are yet to be decided with exciting races up on the horizon (Loyal Homer has seeded the NL West to the Los Angeles Dodgers). This parity gives a lot of hope to many of the teams and keeps fans interested in these cities at a time when attendance is down six percent, as Sports Geek pointed out last week.
The Sports Debates has decided to give you a sneak peek at the second half of the season, as we’re excited about the next two and a half months. Sports Geek will argue that the NL Central is the most exciting division race in the second half of the season while Bleacher Fan will argue why the AL Central is the most exciting race.
Meanwhile, I have decided the NL East is the most exciting division race.
As it stands now, the world champion Philadelphia Phillies hold a four game lead over those pesky Florida Marlins. The Atlanta Braves are currently six games back, with the slumping/walking-wounded Mets six and a half games back.
This race was actually closer 10 days ago, before the Phillies went on a 9-1 tear that opened things up a bit. But, I don’t think those Marlins are going anywhere.
The Marlins, led by All-Star starting shortstop Hanley Ramirez, just keep hanging around. They aren’t supposed to be here, but yet, here they are. Ramirez is quietly having an MVP-type season. The youth and energy of this team is contagious. Too bad no one in Florida has caught the fever (see attendance numbers). I’m not sure this team is ready to take the next step yet, but they aren’t going away and they could steal this division. Keep in mind that the Marlins won a World Series in 1997 and in 2003. That’s six years apart. Six years after 2003 is 2009. Hmmmm????
The Braves, while maddeningly inconsistent offensively, can’t be counted out because of their starting rotation. Starting pitchers Derek Lowe, Javier Vazquez, Jair Jurrjens, rookie sensation Tommy Hanson, and Kenshin Kawakami form a rotation with a combined ERA under four. On offense, the Braves think they have added by subtracting the Jeff Francoeur with a recent trade. On paper, this team doesn’t have enough offense to catch the Phillies. However, there’s a lot of time left.
The Mets haven’t played with their regular team pretty much all season. First baseman Carlos Delgado hurt his hip early in the going, and he was joined on the disabled list by shortstop Jose Reyes and center fielder Carlos Beltran… among others. The Mets think they have provided a spark with the addition of Francoeur, and judging by the last two games, the spark is there. But, the Mets starting rotation is weak once you get past Johan Santana. However, once those guys come off the disabled list, they can certainly make a run.
The Phillies come into the break red hot. Shortstop Jimmy Rollins has finally broken out of his year-long slump and has been the catalyst to this recent hot streak. But, like the Mets, the Phillies rotation leaves a lot to be desired. Perhaps that’s why they are looking closely at Pedro Martinez. That offense is one of the best in the league, with Rollins, first baseman Ryan Howard, second baseman Chase Utley, outfielder Raul Ibanez, and underrated outfielder Jayson Worth. Then again, every offense would be stacked if they played in a homer friendly ballpark like the Phillies do. (Remember that 1995 Colorado Rockies team with the Blake Street bombers hitting balls out of Coors Field… in the pre-humidor days?)
The weakness of the starting rotation of the Phillies gives the other three teams a chance in this division. Also, the four teams will be beating up on each in September. Whatever team gets hot in September is the one that is going to take the division!
Last Friday, I posed a debate question around the Home Run Derby, and asked Sports Geek and Loyal Homer to weigh in with their opinions on whether or not the event still added any value to Major League Baseball.
Having read their arguments, I am thoroughly convinced that it still does add value, and therefore award the verdict to…
Loyal Homer!!!!!
Sports Geek argued that there are more exciting plays in baseball than the home run, citing an unassisted triple-play or stealing home as examples. The one thing that Sports Geek doesn’t address is the nature of how these events occur. A home run, for example, makes for a good skill challenge because it can happen at any time, on any pitch, no matter the context of the game. You cannot make that same statement for unassisted triple-plays, or for stealing home base. Conditions must be right for those events to take place.
In addition, an unassisted triple-play is an event, not a skill, so it can’t be incorporated successfully into a skill challenge. Perfect games and grand slams are also very exciting in baseball, but you can’t have a perfect game or grand slam challenge. Logistically, challenges built around these events would be impossible to host, and would probably be very boring to watch.
That is not to say, though, that Sports Geek’s argument is without merit. Variety is the spice of life, and as such there is certainly room within baseball to host other challenges at MLB’s All-Star event that feature different skills, such as directional hitting, base-stealing, pitching accuracy, etc. Based on what I have read, though, these events would be best used to complement, rather than replace, the Home Run Derby.
When you consider the merits of the Home Run Derby as an attraction worth featuring, the numbers don’t lie.
As Loyal Homer’s argument points out, 6.8 million viewers tuned in to watch the 2008 Home Run Derby. That number actually accounted for a 35% INCREASE in viewership from the year prior, which means that Derby popularity is growing, not declining.
As for the 6.8 million viewers, let’s consider how that number compares to the NBA All-Star event, which features a variety of skills in a sport which many would consider to be more popular than baseball. Despite being the most successful year of television ratings in the 24-year history of the event, the NBA All-Star Saturday night (which includes the 3-point and slam dunk competitions), only attracted 5.8 million viewers.
That means that the Home Run Derby, a single skill challenge in an arguably less-popular sport, still managed to draw one million MORE viewers than the NBA’s cavalcade of skills.
Those numbers leave no doubt in my mind that the Home Run is still king.
In the late 1990s the home run was at its peak in popularity among fans with Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa chasing the long-held Roger Maris single-season home run record of 61. Home run fever swept the entire country, from housewife to diehard sports fan. It was major national news, even finding its way into the Sunday morning talk shows normally reserved for politics. At the time, MLB was an attention-starved league thanks to a strike in 1994, and the home run race brought many fans back to the game.
But, the entire production was a Trojan horse.
As Bleacher Fan pointed out in the intro, the Home Run Derby has lost so much of its appeal that the players do not even want anything to do with it. Why do the players avoid it? Stigma, for one reason (more on that later). But, it also ruins their swing. This decade, the following winners of the Home Run Derby have hit less homer runs after their participating than before: Luis Gonzalez, Jason Giambi, Garrett Anderson, Bobby Abreu, Vlad Guerrero, and Josh Hamilton. Of the players who actually hit MORE homers after the All-Star break – Sammy Sosa, Miguel Tejada, and Ryan Howard – only Ryan Howard has avoided the use of corked bats and proof of performance-enhancing drug use as reasons for the increase in home run total. And, he only hit two more homers in the second have than he did in the first.
It is impossible to address this topic and not discuss the home run itself. The steroids era has tainted the home run, and Major League Baseball’s insistence on glorifying it with the derby is unhealthy for the game. A recent study from the Associated Press released yesterday noted that attendance across the entire league is down over six percent. And 72% of respondents to the survey said MLB “is not doing enough to prevent the use of performance-enhancing drugs.” Another 66% said that Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds, and Sammy Sosa should not be allowed into Cooperstown if they took steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs. The survey results are interesting, but the loudest voice in the crowd is the drop in attendance. Baseball ought to listen. And until the home run is above suspicion, the derby should stay below ground.
The home run is not even the most exciting play in baseball. Ted Keith of Sports Illustrated claims it is stealing home, but there other plays like a close-play triple, an unassisted triple play, or the suicide squeeze that hold equal excitement. The Home Run Derby is not even showcasing baseball’s only interesting element.
Breaking with long-held traditions can be difficult, and finding ways to replace them only makes it harder. However, it only requires some thought. ESPN will cover whatever the new event(s) are because they’re the only major national sporting event happening in the heart of the summer. It’s time to experiment with the formula and think of other ways baseball’s best can be put on display.
The Home Run Derby tradition now does more harm than good to the game of baseball. There are other ways of showcasing player skills that are also exciting such as a stealing home plate contest, a consecutive hits contest, or directional hitting for points (on the derby model). The more baseball continues to build up the merits of the home run, the more they prove their ignorance of how fans really feel about the game and the steroids era, and the murkier the view of the field gets from their ivory tower.
The All-Star festivities for Major League Baseball are fast approaching. The game, the galas, the celebrity softball game, and the Home Run Derby will be taking place next week in St. Louis, Missouri.
Now, what event do you think the Loyal Homer is most looking forward to watching? (I can promise you it’s not the celebrity softball game, which is probably Sports Geek’s favorite event!)
The Home Run Derby is a made-for-TV event that has taken place at the All-Star Game every year since 1985. And last year’s first round created perhaps the most buzz ever, with Josh Hamilton hitting in record 28 home runs in the first round (though he eventually lost to champion Justin Morneau.).
The question posed by Bleacher Fan basically asks if MLB still needs to host the Home Run Derby each. I say most definitely… YES!
I love the home run derby. It’s one of my favorite exhibition events of the year in any sport. Some buddies of mine and I are planning on getting together on Monday to grill out and watch the derby. We’ve been doing this for years. It appears I am not the only one who likes the Home Run Derby, either. Last year’s Home Run Derby drew 6.78 million viewers for ESPN.
Fans come to the park to see home runs, even in this steroids era. They don’t come to the park to see singles and doubles. Do fan stand up and cheer when the eighth place hitter hits a bloop single to center? Heck no! Do fans stand up and cheer when the cleanup hitter hits a 475-foot bomb over the right field fence? You betcha!
This year’s derby features some of the game’s biggest sluggers, including Ryan Howard, Adrian Gonzalez, Prince Fielder (his dad Cecil could hit some moon shots back in the day), and hometown boy Albert Pujols. Now, you can’t honestly tell me that you don’t want to see how far Pujols can really hit a baseball. He can hit it a long way in a game (just ask Brad Lidge). Imagine how far he can hit it in against batting practice pitching! I, and thousands of other fans like me, get to baseball games early just to stand in the outfield seats and try to catch a BP home run. That proves to me that America is still fascinated with the long ball.
And chicks dig the long ball. If you have never seen this commercial, please give it a look. It’s one of my all-time favorites.
Is the derby a little too drawn out now with all the rounds and the contestants and commercial breaks after every hitter? Yes, certainly! It needs to be adjusted. But it does not need to be eliminated. Loyal Homer loves the event and I know the fans do too!
Today, we at The Sports Debates would like to lead Major League Baseball in a short class on Business Operations 101 (who says sports can’t be educational?!).
As a business manager in my ‘other’ life, one of my primary responsibilities is to ensure that my department is always spending its time on value-adding practices. Simply put, I have to constantly evaluate our procedures to ensure we are not wasting any valuable time, money, or resources. There must be some type of a return-on-investment for everything that we do.
For example – “Why does Frank get all the packages before sending them to Lucy?”
Perhaps, when the process was created, Frank had to verify credit card information before Lucy could ship the package.
What if, though, the company just purchased a new computer system to automatically verify credit card information? Does Frank need to get the packages any more? No. Instead, we can we deliver them directly to Lucy, improving our process?
While the act of taking the package to Frank added value at one time (to verify credit card info), it does not add value any more. Just because we’ve always done it that way, that doesn’t mean it’s the best way to do it now.
Professional sports leagues like Major League Baseball must go through similar exercises. Every aspect of the game MUST add some kind of value to the growth and long-term success of the league. If it does not add value, it is not worth continuing… it’s a waste of everyone’s time.
That is not to say that tradition should be ignored. On the contrary, I am a very big fan of tradition. But to advocate tradition for its own sake is foolish. Whatever the tradition, it should still add some kind of value (either intrinsic OR extrinsic) to the league if it is worth upholding.
As the first half of the baseball season draws to a close, the most popular players within the league (not necessarily the ‘best’) are getting ready to participate in two of Major League Baseball’s traditions – The All-Star Game and the Home Run Derby.
Much has already been debated about the relevance of The All-Star Game, so we do not want to focus too much on that here. What we are more interested in is the Home Run Derby.
As a young child I remember the anticipation that comes with the build up to the Home Run Derby. For me, I couldn’t wait to watch guys like Eddie Murray, Darryl Strawberry, Wally Joyner, and Andre Dawson step up to the plate, just to see who would become that year’s Home Run King. It was fun and it was exciting.
Nowadays, some of that magic seems to have gone. It makes me wonder…
Why does Major League Baseball still host an annual Home Run Derby? Does it still add value to the game of baseball, or to the Major League organization?
Simply put, “Why do we do it?”
I am asking my friends Loyal Homer and Sports Geek to apply a standard business principle to one of Major League Baseball’s traditions, and to determine if it is a practice worth continuing.
Loyal Homer will argue that the Home Run Derby is an event that still provides value to the organization and the fans, and is therefore a tradition worth continuing.
Sports Geek will argue that the Home Run Derby, while at one time a worthwhile event, is no longer worth hosting. Instead, it is a waste of time and energy on an event that no one really cares about any more.
I realize this isn’t a forum for determining who exactly IS the greatest college football team of all time. That’s probably a good thing, or I would have spent all week devising a super-secret formula to analyze myriad variables and spit out a winner (I’m a geek… what do you want from me???). So, for the purposes of this debate it is logical to conclude that dominance in several key statistical categories proves a team’s greatness in the annals of college football history. The trick is understanding which statistics make the complete case of greatness.
The first and most obvious statistic is the win-loss record. For college football, no “L’s” allowed. Second, it’s length of season. For example, the 1945 Army Black Knights were an incredible team with fullback Doc Blanchard and running back Glenn Davis. They finished first and second in the Heisman Trophy voting that season and the team finished 9-0-0. They were incredible, with their first team defense allowing two scores ALL SEASON. But, just nine games is not enough of a sample size to prove dominance over an extended period. Length of season is important.
Next is a comparison between offensive production (points per game, yards per game) and defensive production (points allowed per game, yards allowed per game). The real sweet spot of comparing these stats is examining the gap between them to understand how complete a team’s dominance is – and how great they really are. Also, no one stat can be elevated in importance over another. They all must be present to create a full picture.
Let’s look at an example.
Andrea Adelson is on to something with the 2001 Miami Hurricanes. They did not lose a game, played a 12 game season (providing a good sample size), they scored a whopping 42.6 points per game while giving up only 9.75 points per game, and they gained 454.82 yards per game while yielding only 270.91. The variance between yards gained and yards given up is massive. The combination of each of these stats proves Adelson’s theory.
Notice, none of the stats are individual player stats. Players can have bad games or twisted knees that limit their production and throw off season averages – and professional careers. Great teams do not place any emphasis on individual players. Great teams must have a full team effort.
Balancing success across each of these statistical categories is nearly impossible, and precisely why mere mortal teams will not even come close to attaining greatness.
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