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	<title>Comments on: The Publish the Steroids List Debate – “You Got Me Blacklisted At Hop Sings?!”</title>
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		<title>By: Sports Geek</title>
		<link>http://thesportsdebates.com/2009/07/07/the-publish-the-steroids-list-debate-%e2%80%93-%e2%80%9cyou-got-me-blacklisted-at-hop-sings%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But what are the possible outcomes of ending speculation? Players who may be under suspicion for Hall of Fame consideration can be cleared. That has a direct impact on the player, and the legacy of baseball. Records are respected again. Players are respected again. It restores respect to the entire game.

Look at the example of Gary Sheffield, who was forthcoming from the start about what he did. There is no longer any talk of his involvement AND his 500th home run was celebrated.

The intent of publishing the list is not to levy punishment, it is to end the steroids era. It is an action, an event, that baseball can make into a big deal, weather a short storm, and sail into calm waters.

I don&#039;t think fans are very fond of technical legalities. Plus, attendance is down across baseball. The time is right for Selig to push for a change to the 2003 agreement. If he fails, it&#039;s true that the list cannot be officially published. But if he succeeds? He ends the steroids era with a decisive action.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what are the possible outcomes of ending speculation? Players who may be under suspicion for Hall of Fame consideration can be cleared. That has a direct impact on the player, and the legacy of baseball. Records are respected again. Players are respected again. It restores respect to the entire game.</p>
<p>Look at the example of Gary Sheffield, who was forthcoming from the start about what he did. There is no longer any talk of his involvement AND his 500th home run was celebrated.</p>
<p>The intent of publishing the list is not to levy punishment, it is to end the steroids era. It is an action, an event, that baseball can make into a big deal, weather a short storm, and sail into calm waters.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think fans are very fond of technical legalities. Plus, attendance is down across baseball. The time is right for Selig to push for a change to the 2003 agreement. If he fails, it&#8217;s true that the list cannot be officially published. But if he succeeds? He ends the steroids era with a decisive action.</p>
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		<title>By: Bleacher Fan</title>
		<link>http://thesportsdebates.com/2009/07/07/the-publish-the-steroids-list-debate-%e2%80%93-%e2%80%9cyou-got-me-blacklisted-at-hop-sings%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bleacher Fan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loyal Homer, people are also going to commit murder... that doesn&#039;t mean we should make THAT legal.

If MLB is going to expect the Players Association to respect any of their wishes, they need to return the favor and respect the wishes of the MLBPA.

The MLB needs to maintain the confidentiality of this agreement, and when a person leaks information about it, the MLB needs to take measures against that leak.

The fact that &quot;people are going to do it anyway&quot; does not give MLB license to just disregard their contractually agreed upon terms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loyal Homer, people are also going to commit murder&#8230; that doesn&#8217;t mean we should make THAT legal.</p>
<p>If MLB is going to expect the Players Association to respect any of their wishes, they need to return the favor and respect the wishes of the MLBPA.</p>
<p>The MLB needs to maintain the confidentiality of this agreement, and when a person leaks information about it, the MLB needs to take measures against that leak.</p>
<p>The fact that &#8220;people are going to do it anyway&#8221; does not give MLB license to just disregard their contractually agreed upon terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Bleacher Fan</title>
		<link>http://thesportsdebates.com/2009/07/07/the-publish-the-steroids-list-debate-%e2%80%93-%e2%80%9cyou-got-me-blacklisted-at-hop-sings%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bleacher Fan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t.

To the point I make in my argument, there is nothing to gain from publishing the list except for an end to speculation.

No punishments can be levied, no revisions made to any record books, you&#039;ll just have a list of players who will be black-balled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>To the point I make in my argument, there is nothing to gain from publishing the list except for an end to speculation.</p>
<p>No punishments can be levied, no revisions made to any record books, you&#8217;ll just have a list of players who will be black-balled.</p>
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		<title>By: plstcoscr61</title>
		<link>http://thesportsdebates.com/2009/07/07/the-publish-the-steroids-list-debate-%e2%80%93-%e2%80%9cyou-got-me-blacklisted-at-hop-sings%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[plstcoscr61]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple more thoughts on this topic:

1)  For the most part, hasn&#039;t confidentiality largely been maintained with regard to names on the list?  Let&#039;s keep in mind that, since the list was created in 2003, only a handful or two of the 100 or so names on the list have been named.  At that pace, all the names won&#039;t all be leaked until the 2060&#039;s, if at all (it&#039;s not inevitable that all names will eventually be leaked and be independently verifiable).  Isn&#039;t the possibility of protecting all of this confidential information, however remote, preferable to breaking the original promise and protecting none at all?

2)  I can see how fixing the countless mistakes in judgment (by owners, players, the commissioner&#039;s office, the players&#039; union, and fans) and in the testing process will be &quot;[f]or the betterment of the game,&quot; but I fail to see how releasing the names on the list do so.  In other words, how does knowing whether or not Angel Berroa (name chosen at random) tested positive for steroids make the game BETTER?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple more thoughts on this topic:</p>
<p>1)  For the most part, hasn&#8217;t confidentiality largely been maintained with regard to names on the list?  Let&#8217;s keep in mind that, since the list was created in 2003, only a handful or two of the 100 or so names on the list have been named.  At that pace, all the names won&#8217;t all be leaked until the 2060&#8242;s, if at all (it&#8217;s not inevitable that all names will eventually be leaked and be independently verifiable).  Isn&#8217;t the possibility of protecting all of this confidential information, however remote, preferable to breaking the original promise and protecting none at all?</p>
<p>2)  I can see how fixing the countless mistakes in judgment (by owners, players, the commissioner&#8217;s office, the players&#8217; union, and fans) and in the testing process will be &#8220;[f]or the betterment of the game,&#8221; but I fail to see how releasing the names on the list do so.  In other words, how does knowing whether or not Angel Berroa (name chosen at random) tested positive for steroids make the game BETTER?</p>
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		<title>By: Loyal Homer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loyal Homer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing is, though...the names will be leaked out little by little.  They already are!  For the betterment of the game, we need to put this issue to rest ASAP.  As a passionate fan of the game, I think releasing the list allows us to do quicker than having the name ooze out one by one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, though&#8230;the names will be leaked out little by little.  They already are!  For the betterment of the game, we need to put this issue to rest ASAP.  As a passionate fan of the game, I think releasing the list allows us to do quicker than having the name ooze out one by one!</p>
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		<title>By: Bleacher Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bleacher Fan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You make some great points! My biggest concern is that this would set a very bad precedent.

Next thing you know, everyone&#039;s passing around Peach Schnapps, just waiting to unlock the vault for that next juicy bit of so-called &quot;confidential&quot; information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some great points! My biggest concern is that this would set a very bad precedent.</p>
<p>Next thing you know, everyone&#8217;s passing around Peach Schnapps, just waiting to unlock the vault for that next juicy bit of so-called &#8220;confidential&#8221; information.</p>
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		<title>By: plstcoscr61</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[plstcoscr61]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.  There are countless situations where I entrust others to keep certain information confidential - whether it be entrusting a friend with a bit of gossip, entrusting a website with my debit card PIN, or entrusting medical information to a doctor - but no matter the circumstances of that promise, any revelation of that which I believed to be kept secret could be mentally, financially, and/or socially devastating.

Why would I, or why should we, expect these ballplayers to feel any differently?  It it because they&#039;re millionaires?  Is it because they&#039;re in the public eye?  Is it because they rewrote the record books?

None of that matters.  Public demand is not a sufficient reason to break a pledge of secrecy (I imagine there are plenty of people that would like to have my PIN), but absent some great public necessity (like a man having his sleeve caught in an ATM machine in a burning building), confidential information should remain private.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  There are countless situations where I entrust others to keep certain information confidential &#8211; whether it be entrusting a friend with a bit of gossip, entrusting a website with my debit card PIN, or entrusting medical information to a doctor &#8211; but no matter the circumstances of that promise, any revelation of that which I believed to be kept secret could be mentally, financially, and/or socially devastating.</p>
<p>Why would I, or why should we, expect these ballplayers to feel any differently?  It it because they&#8217;re millionaires?  Is it because they&#8217;re in the public eye?  Is it because they rewrote the record books?</p>
<p>None of that matters.  Public demand is not a sufficient reason to break a pledge of secrecy (I imagine there are plenty of people that would like to have my PIN), but absent some great public necessity (like a man having his sleeve caught in an ATM machine in a burning building), confidential information should remain private.</p>
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